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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 8:49:55 GMT
A Parisian friend of mine who became a hardcore Communist about ten years ago attended a Latin Mass in Cork this weekend. His reaction: "Went to SS Peter & Paul's in Cork today! Was blown away! Latin culture is alive and well in Cork!....That experience was unforgettable. I never thought Latin culture could be so alive in any modern city. Even Paris fades in comparison! I long to go back and specialise in Hiberno-Latin and swim to the Skelligs! How can anyone listen to this and not say "Credo!"! www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTHIDMYkiV8
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Post by Stephen on Aug 2, 2017 9:43:36 GMT
Is he a practising Catholic today? This is really interesting! could you expand on what you have said?
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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 9:50:46 GMT
Well, I was slightly misleading. He is from East Cork, but has lived in Paris for the past ten years. A lover of the Classical languages and High Culture, as well as being a fervent Communist, if you can square that particular circle. He seems to have been drawn back to the Church recently, telling me he pops into empty churches for meditation and quiet. I asked him this morning if he's re-embraced his faith. Will keep you posted:-)
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2017 10:06:06 GMT
A lover of the Classical languages and High Culture, as well as being a fervent Communist, if you can square that particular circle. It's not that strange. I think quite a lot of Marxists are drawn to Marxism because they think capitalism and consumerism destroy high culture. I'm no fan of the USSR, but it does seem to have had a high regard for high culture, and tried to make it available to the masses.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 2, 2017 10:09:30 GMT
I wonder has your friend looked into distributism. It is a third way. I really can't understand the logic of communists, as it has failed every where it has been implemented
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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 10:15:56 GMT
Yes, the Soviet attempt to bring High Culture (of the right ideological kind, of course) plus their attempt to provide social housing for all strike me as the only redeeming features of the USSR experiment.
My friend has a two year old son, whom he is instructing in French, English, Latin and Gaeilge!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2017 10:20:24 GMT
I have heard that the Vatican has started to move away from the practice of issuing all documents in Latin. That's sad.
I have no Latin myself. I hope I can improve my Irish. That's the task of a lifetime for me, when it comes to languages.
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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 10:21:05 GMT
In response to my question about faith, he has just replied to me: "Politically, I am a Catholic Stalinist!"
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2017 10:32:30 GMT
In Fr. Brian D'Arcy's memoir "A Different Journey", he claims that he was told, during his priestly formation, that Trotskyists were the worst form of Marxists because they were the Marxist equivalent of Protestants.
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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 10:38:03 GMT
Funny to recall that Stalin was a top student in his seminary: "He had already spent five years at the religious school of his home town, Gori. Here he was known already for his devoutness, attending all church services, even leading the singing in the choir. At the seminary, the earlier years of study included both ‘secular’ and theological subjects: Russian literature; secular history; mathematics; Latin; Greek; Church Slavonic singing; Georgian Imeretian singing; Holy Scripture. By the final years, the subjects became distinctly theological: ecclesiastical history; liturgy; homiletics; comparative theology; moral theology; practical pastoral work; didactics; church singing; Holy Scripture. Some subjects may have changed, but throughout Holy Scripture and Church singing were constants." www.politicaltheology.com/blog/stalin-as-a-theological-student/
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Post by Séamus on Aug 2, 2017 11:49:34 GMT
A lady, whose sister I know , was attending Sunday Mass there;I imagine she will does. She lives a bit out of Cork city itself. They were having Mass in Irish, English and the extraordinary form in Latin on Sundays. Her sister mentioned that cardinals Bourke and Pell have both said Mass there. Didn't seem to be very many people attending although the singing was enthusiastic.
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Post by kj on Aug 2, 2017 11:54:40 GMT
A friend of mine is involved with teaching Latin to regular attendees. He says the numbers are slowly growing and the congregation is an interesting mix of Traditional Catholics, Latin enthusiasts, Traditionalists, eccentrics etc.
There is also an SSPX service in Cork city, although I gather a while back one of the priests resigned because he felt that that organisation was becoming too liberal.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 2, 2017 12:14:37 GMT
"Politically, I am a Catholic Stalinist!". He must have been taking Joking!! If not he does not know his main man Satan very well... Cough Cough! I mean Stalin. I think the Vatican has started to use Italian as the official language as so many Bishops and Priests today have had such bad formation that they do not even know Latin. Of course, there are more diabolical reasons to.
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Post by Séamus on Aug 2, 2017 12:22:10 GMT
A friend of mine is involved with teaching Latin to regular attendees. He says the numbers are slowly growing and the congregation is an interesting mix of Traditional Catholics, Latin enthusiasts, Traditionalists, eccentrics etc. There is also an SSPX service in Cork city, although I gather a while back one of the priests resigned because he felt that that organisation was becoming too liberal. Traditional Masses get an interesting mix everywhere. This particular lady did attend St Pius X for a while, her sister told me. She left them largely because nobody conversed, something she's extra fond of doing. She claimed that there was indeed a cup of tea offered after, but that everybody sat there over their tea saying nothing,I can only wonder at the strong opinions they were keeping to themselves. Her butcher asked her why she was no longer at that Mass; she told him why. He said that no one there had introduced themselves to him in decades. There are definitely some very NON-liberal people in Cork,apparently Fr Villa's writings get sold there, I'm not sure where. Also there was an all-night vigil there (don't know if it was in a church) on the eve of the canonisation of Pope John XXIII and John Paul II, that it would NOT go ahead.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2017 12:28:59 GMT
Discussion of the Latin Mass is now banned on this forum.
Perpetrators will be tracked down and thrown into a muddy stream.
OK, I'm only kidding. The stream will be clear.
No, I'm entirely kidding. But it's extraordinary how...inflationary....this subject is. It's like eating a famous circular crisp sold in tubes.
Of course, I am coming from a Novus Ordo perspective of not getting it.
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