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Post by cato on Nov 25, 2023 16:19:02 GMT
]Indeed all the above effects are real and relevant, but we should also never forget the big picture so that we can see everything in context.
We in the West have been subject to a revolution undertaken by the USA (with the minion European States following suit) ever since WW2, but particularly since the 'sexual revolution' of the 1960s.
The principal values that the elite, who are pushing this revolution, want to destroy are Christianity, the Family and the Nation state.
The methodology is to divide, demoralize and then control. Divide through non-stop race baiting and setting enmity between male and female via feminism. Gender fluidity to confuse and depress teenagers to the point where they damage their own sexual organs. The list goes on. People get demoralised as societal set up means that common sense utterances are labelled hate crime. Porn is not discouraged and more drugs are legalised....
The perpetrators of this social engineering experiment have control of all aspects of the State. They sell their brand as enlightened 'liberal democracy' but in reality it is a soft tyranny which will get harder when the people become more and more subjugated and docile.
One good bit of news is that more people are awakening to this elite's evil. The bad news is that the elites are seeing their plans begin to fall apart and are becoming desperate. Their move in Ukraine is a move to spread their poison further afield in the world and also take out, or wear out a potential world competitor, Russia. But things aren't working out for them as they wish. The fear is that the these neo-liberal elites will, in light of their diminishing returns, cause a global conflict as they have nothing else to lose, and because their are utopian idealogues who will not see sense.
Who would want a value system that appears to revolve around race baiting, sexualising children and promoting drugs? No-one in their right mind. I would say that over half of the American people disagree with the abysmal fare on offer, which explains the Trump effect.
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I am unsure of blaming our woes primarily on a US led plot to undermine civilisation. We are part of a declining US Empire certainly . Europe one of the richest places in the world is unable to protect her borders , replace her own population and we still rely on US troops to defend Europe almost 80 years after 1945. That's self inflicted.
Our European culture was traditionally Christian. Christianity is certainly not flavour of the month in Bidens Washington but the appaling clerical corruption, cover ups and this terrible pontificate have dealt a deadly blow to Western Catholicism. This is self inflicted.
We have never been more materially satisfied. Every physical and chemical pleasure is available. We are dissatisfied and sick at heart . I think the West may be worn out. I hope it isn't as the alternatives offered by Putin and Xi will be much more brutal and corrupt. Let's not kid ourselves the enemies at the gate are our friends.
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Post by eala on Nov 29, 2023 20:17:01 GMT
6 years after this thread started its interesting to look back on who said what. 3 things strike me immediately. The experience of Covid hit the Church hard in terms of abyssmal pastoral response from the clergy. The closing down of sacramental access for long periods caused many people to never come back. I think it's as high as one third abandoned the faith in that period seemingly without much anguish. Wokery/trans ideas has captured much of the culture and large swathes of young people who in previous times would be in seminaries and convents. Youthful enthusiastic and idealism doesn't disappear but it can be channeled in sinister ways Think of Maos murderous Red Guards , the Hitler Youth etc. The self destructing impulses of formal Catholicism is absolutely clear for any one to see. This papacy has attempted to reignite the 1970s Ecclesiastical revolution. Doctrinally and pastorally we are in chaos. Tom Holland is very good on Woke as religion. Andrew Doyle the New Puritans also very good on it.
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Post by eala on Nov 29, 2023 20:22:51 GMT
6 years after this thread started its interesting to look back on who said what. 3 things strike me immediately. The experience of Covid hit the Church hard in terms of abyssmal pastoral response from the clergy. The closing down of sacramental access for long periods caused many people to never come back. I think it's as high as one third abandoned the faith in that period seemingly without much anguish. Wokery/trans ideas has captured much of the culture and large swathes of young people who in previous times would be in seminaries and convents. Youthful enthusiastic and idealism doesn't disappear but it can be channeled in sinister ways Thing of Maos murderous Red Guards , the Hitler Youth etc. The self destructing impulses of formal Catholicism is absolutely clear for any one to see. This papacy has attempted to reignite the 1970s Ecclesiastical revolution. Doctrinally and pastorally we are in chaos. Indeed all the above effects are real and relevant, but we should also never forget the big picture so that we can see everything in context. We in the West have been subject to a revolution undertaken by the USA (with the minion European States following suit) ever since WW2, but particularly since the 'sexual revolution' of the 1960s. The principal values that the elite, who are pushing this revolution, want to destroy are Christianity, the Family and the Nation state. The methodology is to divide, demoralize and then control. Divide through non-stop race baiting and setting enmity between male and female via feminism. Gender fluidity to confuse and depress teenagers to the point where they damage their own sexual organs. The list goes on. People get demoralised as societal set up means that common sense utterances are labelled hate crime. Porn is not discouraged and more drugs are legalised.... The perpetrators of this social engineering experiment have control of all aspects of the State. They sell their brand as enlightened 'liberal democracy' but in reality it is a soft tyranny which will get harder when the people become more and more subjugated and docile. One good bit of news is that more people are awakening to this elite's evil. The bad news is that the elites are seeing their plans begin to fall apart and are becoming desperate. Their move in Ukraine is a move to spread their poison further afield in the world and also take out, or wear out a potential world competitor, Russia. But things aren't working out for them as they wish. The fear is that the these neo-liberal elites will, in light of their diminishing returns, cause a global conflict as they have nothing else to lose, and because their are utopian idealogues who will not see sense. Who would want a value system that appears to revolve around race baiting, sexualising children and promoting drugs? No-one in their right mind. I would say that over half of the American people disagree with the abysmal fare on offer, which explains the Trump effect. I was listening to something making a case along these lines yesterday, that might interest you: "The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution." James Lindsay. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgR2MHqucI Are you listening to or reading anyone good on this in the current context?
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Post by cato on Nov 29, 2023 21:43:46 GMT
Are you listening to or reading anyone good on this in the current context?[/quote]
There is a lot of sensible intelligent criticism out that. GB News is very anti woke. Sky Australia is good . The Spectator paper, on line and Spectator TV on YouTube is worth following.
GRIPT in Ireland is getting very good Ben Scallan is ridiculing government ministers by asking persistent questions and recording the evident discomfort of ministers unused to hard questions. John Mc Guirk has a good weekly podcast as do some of the other contributers.
Douglas Murray's books on immigration and the wider cultural war are very good. He appears frequently on line too discussing a wide variety of topics from a Conservative angle.
I could go on but those are my usual go to sources.
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Post by eala on Dec 1, 2023 0:18:33 GMT
Are you listening to or reading anyone good on this in the current context? There is a lot of sensible intelligent criticism out that. GB News is very anti woke. Sky Australia is good . The Spectator paper, on line and Spectator TV on YouTube is worth following. GRIPT in Ireland is getting very good Ben Scallan is ridiculing government ministers by asking persistent questions and recording the evident discomfort of ministers unused to hard questions. John Mc Guirk has a good weekly podcast as do some of the other contributers. Douglas Murray's books on immigration and the wider cultural war are very good. He appears frequently on line too discussing a wide variety of topics from a Conservative angle. I could go on but those are my usual go to sources. [/quote] Please do go on. What you've mentioned is not a million miles away from my own material. GRIPT is new to me, as is McGuirk. New Discourses, and Unherd worth a listen also.
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Post by cato on Dec 1, 2023 9:20:42 GMT
Are you listening to or reading anyone good on this in the current context? There is a lot of sensible intelligent criticism out that. GB News is very anti woke. Sky Australia is good . The Spectator paper, on line and Spectator TV on YouTube is worth following. GRIPT in Ireland is getting very good Ben Scallan is ridiculing government ministers by asking persistent questions and recording the evident discomfort of ministers unused to hard questions. John Mc Guirk has a good weekly podcast as do some of the other contributers. Douglas Murray's books on immigration and the wider cultural war are very good. He appears frequently on line too discussing a wide variety of topics from a Conservative angle. I could go on but those are my usual go to sources. Please do go on. What you've mentioned is not a million miles away from my own material. GRIPT is new to me, as is McGuirk. New Discourses, and Unherd worth a listen also.[/quote] The Scruton memorial lectures on YouTube are very good as are interviews and talks by Sir Rodger himself. He had a wonderful gentlemanly urbane otherworldly style. He is sorely missed .
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 1, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
Cato I agree that Gript.ie is going from strength to strength right now. While the Burkean, sadly, is increasingly veering towards racialism, as well as being often written in a lingo incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't spend all day on Reddit. (It still has some good stuff, though, especially reclaiming the history of Irish nationalism from the left and the Shinners.)
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Post by cato on Dec 3, 2023 12:05:06 GMT
Cato I agree that Gript.ie is going from strength to strength right now. While the Burkean, sadly, is increasingly veering towards racialism, as well as being often written in a lingo incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't spend all day on Reddit. (It still has some good stuff, though, especially reclaiming the history of Irish nationalism from the left and the Shinners.) The Burkean has greatly declined in recent years. At times I suspect it has been infiltrated by progressives who are writing caricatures or double agents working for the Garda special branch. We do need a forum for intelligent conservative ideas but the Burkean sadly isn't the place for that currently.
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Post by eala on Dec 4, 2023 9:44:53 GMT
6 years after this thread started its interesting to look back on who said what. 3 things strike me immediately. The experience of Covid hit the Church hard in terms of abyssmal pastoral response from the clergy. The closing down of sacramental access for long periods caused many people to never come back. I think it's as high as one third abandoned the faith in that period seemingly without much anguish. Wokery/trans ideas has captured much of the culture and large swathes of young people who in previous times would be in seminaries and convents. Youthful enthusiastic and idealism doesn't disappear but it can be channeled in sinister ways Thing of Maos murderous Red Guards , the Hitler Youth etc. The self destructing impulses of formal Catholicism is absolutely clear for any one to see. This papacy has attempted to reignite the 1970s Ecclesiastical revolution. Doctrinally and pastorally we are in chaos. Indeed all the above effects are real and relevant, but we should also never forget the big picture so that we can see everything in context. We in the West have been subject to a revolution undertaken by the USA (with the minion European States following suit) ever since WW2, but particularly since the 'sexual revolution' of the 1960s. The principal values that the elite, who are pushing this revolution, want to destroy are Christianity, the Family and the Nation state. The methodology is to divide, demoralize and then control. Divide through non-stop race baiting and setting enmity between male and female via feminism. Gender fluidity to confuse and depress teenagers to the point where they damage their own sexual organs. The list goes on. People get demoralised as societal set up means that common sense utterances are labelled hate crime. Porn is not discouraged and more drugs are legalised.... The perpetrators of this social engineering experiment have control of all aspects of the State. They sell their brand as enlightened 'liberal democracy' but in reality it is a soft tyranny which will get harder when the people become more and more subjugated and docile. One good bit of news is that more people are awakening to this elite's evil. The bad news is that the elites are seeing their plans begin to fall apart and are becoming desperate. Their move in Ukraine is a move to spread their poison further afield in the world and also take out, or wear out a potential world competitor, Russia. But things aren't working out for them as they wish. The fear is that the these neo-liberal elites will, in light of their diminishing returns, cause a global conflict as they have nothing else to lose, and because their are utopian idealogues who will not see sense. Who would want a value system that appears to revolve around race baiting, sexualising children and promoting drugs? No-one in their right mind. I would say that over half of the American people disagree with the abysmal fare on offer, which explains the Trump effect. Yes, traditional religion is being replaced by the cult of wokery. And yes we see the beginnings of a hellscape of secular-materialist relativism in that's further along elsewhere. And yes, while I deplore this, I understand the turning from the church. The church in my estimation have done a great disservice not only to belief in Catholicism but to belief as such by not putting its house in order.
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