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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 15, 2018 12:16:25 GMT
I was in a Flying Tiger branch today and "If You're Going to San Francisco" was playing on the radio. The shop assistants were talking about it.
My mother liked this song. I do, too, even though I despise the whole hippie culture it celebrates.
It reminds me of other examples. I've always found "The Red Flag" to be a stirring anthem. And-- horror of horrors!-- I really like the E.U. flag.
Anyone want to 'fess up?
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Post by cato on Sept 15, 2018 12:39:34 GMT
The old Red Army parades in Moscow with endless ranks of goosestepping soldiers and sinister green nuclear missiles were fascinating , even though I also had nightmares of the same Russian paratroopers landing in Dubln and their tanks speeding through the west of Ireland during the 1980s.
I still like the Red Army choir's recordings. (German) Army marches of both World Wars are quite catchy.Mind you those on the receiving end of the Germans probably have a more jaundiced view. The infamous Triumph of the Will movie is one of my most wicked pleasures. You can feel the sheer dark irrational power of real 1930s Fascist propaganda.
Shooting was also a former guilty pleasure of mine. Animals/birds and not people I hasten to add. Voting on two occasions for Dana for Irish president qualifies too I suppose.☒
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Post by Stephen on Sept 27, 2018 7:51:25 GMT
The old Red Army parades in Moscow with endless ranks of goosestepping soldiers and sinister green nuclear missiles were fascinating , even though I also had nightmares of the same Russian paratroopers landing in Dubln and their tanks speeding through the west of Ireland during the 1980s. I still like the Red Army choir's recordings. (German) Army marches of both World Wars are quite catchy.Mind you those on the receiving end of the Germans probably have a more jaundiced view. The infamous Triumph of the Will movie is one of my most wicked pleasures. You can feel the sheer dark irrational power of real 1930s Fascist propaganda. Shooting was also a former guilty pleasure of mine. Animals/birds and not people I hasten to add. Voting on two occasions for Dana for Irish president qualifies too I suppose.☒ Why do you find Shooting and voting for Dana for Irish President a Ideological Guilty pleasure |
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Post by cato on Sept 27, 2018 21:15:22 GMT
Why do you find Shooting and voting for Dana for Irish President a Ideological Guilty pleasure
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I suppose I would be very careful who I expressed those views to. Perhaps strictly speaking they should be categorised as politically incorrect pleasures but heck , I got carried away.
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Post by cato on Oct 22, 2018 11:42:34 GMT
I recently watched the official British record of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier in glorious technicolour.
It is unabashed propaganda for a Great Britain still recovering from the destruction and massive economic expense of World War II. Even though it was 1953 Britons still endured food and clothing rationing.
The film depicts a happy proud and strangely largely rural kingdom. The Empire features heavily - the colonial prime ministers and the Queen of Tonga take part in the parade as well as units from the various British and Imperial units. The Empire , military and aristocracy are very much to the fore throughout. Ecumenism in 1953 was served by the Moderator of the Scottish Presbyerian Church presenting a bible to the new Queen.
The ceremony itself features aspects of Medieval catholic liturgies when the monarch is vested with a stole and cloth of gold garments and is anointed with holy oil in a ritual that is believed to go back to the time of the Iona monks and St Columba.
The great British public look quite shabby and drab even though presumably they were wearing their Sunday best. They were all white. The only non whites were the colonial soldiers and Commonwealth leaders.
Mary Kenny has written about this film which was I think unofficially banned in the new Irish Republic. She narrates how secret viewings were arranged in various Church of Ireland halls up and down the land so closet Royalists, Fashionistas and Southern Unionists could enjoy the what was probably the last unapologetic British Imperial celebration.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 22, 2018 12:10:29 GMT
I recently watched the official British record of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier in glorious technicolour. It is unabashed propaganda for a Great Britain still recovering from the destruction and massive economic expense of World War II. Even though it was 1953 Britons still endured food and clothing rationing. The film depicts a happy proud and strangely largely rural kingdom. The Empire features heavily - the colonial prime ministers and the Queen of Tonga take part in the parade as well as units from the various British and Imperial units. The Empire , military and aristocracy are very much to the fore throughout. Ecumenism in 1953 was served by the Moderator of the Scottish Presbyerian Church presenting a bible to the new Queen. The ceremony itself features aspects of Medieval catholic liturgies when the monarch is vested with a stole and cloth of gold garments and is anointed with holy oil in a ritual that is believed to go back to the time of the Iona monks and St Columba. The great British public look quite shabby and drab even though presumably they were wearing their Sunday best. They were all white. The only non whites were the colonial soldiers and Commonwealth leaders. Mary Kenny has written about this film which was I think unofficially banned in the new Irish Republic. She narrates how secret viewings were arranged in various Church of Ireland halls up and down the land so closet Royalists, Fashionistas and Southern Unionists could enjoy the what was probably the last unapologetic British Imperial celebration. It's funny, even though I am a staunch monarchist, I'm completely unmoved by such splendour. Although I'm happy it exists. Monarchy to me is more about the royal coat of arms on sauce bottles and Coronation mugs! I've heard that the monarchy actually became unpopular during Queen Victoria's protracted mourning for her husband, though it recovered towards the end of her reign. Possibly its popularity has gone up and down. I thank God for the survival of the British monarchy-- one glorious gleam of tradition in a world of cultural vandalism. |
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Post by cato on Oct 22, 2018 17:06:03 GMT
I think that film captured the last big British Imperial Hurrah. Although the British probably do state ceremonial better than any one else, the next Royal coronation will probably involve the Dalai Lama , a female Archbishop and loads of Abba tunes. After that it will probably be turned into a reality TV programme.
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 22, 2018 18:06:51 GMT
I'm not sure about the Dalai Lama. At least, if he keeps saying outrageous things, like that people have a right to defend themselves from attack or that refugees should go home eventually.
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Post by cato on Oct 22, 2018 19:23:21 GMT
He is also very pharisee like and rigid on matters of sexual morality , much more so than a 2018 tuned in Youth accompanying catholic bishop.
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Post by Séamus on Oct 23, 2018 4:26:48 GMT
I recently watched the official British record of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier in glorious technicolour. It is unabashed propaganda for a Great Britain still recovering from the destruction and massive economic expense of World War II. Even though it was 1953 Britons still endured food and clothing rationing. The film depicts a happy proud and strangely largely rural kingdom. The Empire features heavily - the colonial prime ministers and the Queen of Tonga take part in the parade as well as units from the various British and Imperial units. The Empire , military and aristocracy are very much to the fore throughout. Ecumenism in 1953 was served by the Moderator of the Scottish Presbyerian Church presenting a bible to the new Queen. The ceremony itself features aspects of Medieval catholic liturgies when the monarch is vested with a stole and cloth of gold garments and is anointed with holy oil in a ritual that is believed to go back to the time of the Iona monks and St Columba. [....etc....br] Mary Kenny has written about this film which was I think unofficially banned in the new Irish Republic. ....etc... I can understand them banning the broadcast, the trappings of monarchy can be quite alluring. There was no such ban by the time of Charles and Diana's wedding,I can remember watching it- and we only really had RTÉ on our set. I remember a conversation by two traditional Catholics a few years ago saying something about there being no proper liturgically-crowned Roman Catholic monarch,I wasn't quite sure what they meant, as I'd never looked into these ceremonies (and still haven't). New Zealand produced a (mostly children's) film in the early 2000s, called 'Her Majesty' from memory, about this very event- a girl becomes such a fan of the young queen after watching the coronation that she invites Elizabeth to New Zealand, who it turns out was indeed going there. It must be said: the new Duchess of Sussex, considering she was a b-grade American soap opera actress, seems to be holding the part with immense dignity. Perhaps the acting is a big part of it |
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Post by cato on Oct 23, 2018 9:01:37 GMT
I remember a conversation by two traditional Catholics a few years ago saying something about there being no proper liturgically-crowned Roman Catholic monarch,I wasn't quite sure what they meant, as I'd never looked into these ceremonies (and still haven't)
St Paul VI was the last pope to be crowned with the Papal Tiara. There is plenty of coverage on youtube. It was abolished as it was thought it was alienating modern man and that the papacy needed to become more humble.....
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 23, 2018 9:09:18 GMT
I remember a conversation by two traditional Catholics a few years ago saying something about there being no proper liturgically-crowned Roman Catholic monarch,I wasn't quite sure what they meant, as I'd never looked into these ceremonies (and still haven't) St Paul VI was the last pope to be crowned with the Papal Tiara. There is plenty of coverage on youtube. It was abolished as it was thought it was alienating modern man and that the papacy needed to become more humble..... It never occurs to critics of such splendour that billionaries and magnates, of whom they usually have a very withering view, tend to dress very soberly. "Humility will always, by preference, go clad in scarlet and gold; pride is that which refuses to let gold and scarlet impress it or please it too much." G.K. Chesterton. Pope Benedict got so much grief for his red shoes. Surely anyone could see that Benedict was a very humble man and his fondness for traditional vestments was for the sake of tradition, not for his own ego. (Although I prefer plainness in worship myself, I do think bishops and cardinals should dress suitably to their office, and most certainly the Pope should. Though not all the time, necessarily.) |
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Post by Tomas on Dec 11, 2018 10:48:06 GMT
Apart from musical periphery like Chris De Burgh and ABBA etc (not much ideology there to be frank) I must admit to like old traditional march tunes as well as some of the most famous hippie songs by The Byrds ("Chestnut Mare") and The Mamas and the Papas ("California Dreamin"). Perhaps a bit more ideologically in style, and not like the kinds of music just mentioned, I also really love the Irish rebel songs especially performed by Tommy Drennan and his friends the Irish Monarchs!
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Post by cato on Dec 11, 2018 14:01:07 GMT
Sinead O Connor singing the Foggy Dew.
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Post by cato on Sept 15, 2019 19:02:52 GMT
There is an unwritten principle of modern life that any pleasure or good thing will be banned , persecuted or undermined eventually. Things can never be left alone.
I have a fondness for the Last night of the Proms (which in previous eras would have merited my summary tarring and feathering in Southern Ireland .) Last night this rather traditional eccentric display of Edwardian English music was diversified by a proud Queer woman Jamie Barton who is actually a boring old bisexual cis woman. She is not even non binary! Bisexuality was all the rage in the 1970s but is boringly unremarkable in our more fluid times.
Ms Barnes a mezzo soprano ,frankly appeared to be demented or drugged up with a fixed grin I would associate with being on too many tranquilizers. Still her performance went down well with the woke people on Twitter . Waving a large rainbow flag at the finale was "about including people" according to Ms Barton.
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