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Post by hilary on Jul 25, 2021 15:26:17 GMT
Well it's an old tune from me, but as someone who's lived in the UK the best part of a decade, I think this is absolutely accurate, as is the inevitable fading of the "excitement" of seculaising Ireland. In fact, I'd say the past 17 months may have speeded up that dissolution. Once life gets back to normal I wonder if people will be as tolerant of the propaganda churned out by the IT, RTE and other outlets.
That last sentence is quite interesting. In a normal functioning society we would have a major debate on what went right and wrong and address the outrageous claims made to frighten people, huge sums of money borrowed and the lack of open informed debate etc. Of course we won't though. It seems to me the blind faith previous generations had in the catholic clergy is now transferred to NPHET and media outlets. We like to boast about our modern educational standards and intellectual sophistication but most of our ancestors deferred to authorities without having the educational advantages modern Irish men and women have. Arlene Foster has joined GB News - I watched some short videos from this morning on Youtube. She talked about a future inquiry into how the pandemic was handled and also about the NI Protocol. I like the way she tackles things - she's a clear thinker and a straight speaker. A breath of fresh air.
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Post by Tomas on Jul 25, 2021 16:37:04 GMT
That last sentence is quite interesting. In a normal functioning society we would have a major debate on what went right and wrong and address the outrageous claims made to frighten people, huge sums of money borrowed and the lack of open informed debate etc. Of course we won't though. It seems to me the blind faith previous generations had in the catholic clergy is now transferred to NPHET and media outlets. We like to boast about our modern educational standards and intellectual sophistication but most of our ancestors deferred to authorities without having the educational advantages modern Irish men and women have. Arlene Foster has joined GB News - I watched some short videos from this morning on Youtube. She talked about a future inquiry into how the pandemic was handled and also about the NI Protocol. I like the way she tackles things - she's a clear thinker and a straight speaker. A breath of fresh air. Glad to hear Irish people are actually coming alive talking, also concretely addressing facts about the general abuses after all sickening silent compliance. The ones I follow on Facebook, the most outspoken perhaps is Ben Scallan, looks like signs of real hope despite the counterpart slowness from the Establisment (gaining from it? more than caring for the poor and others hurt?) so the next season and year will probably be really interesting to catch up on.
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Post by cato on Jul 25, 2021 18:08:34 GMT
[/quote]Arlene Foster has joined GB News - I watched some short videos from this morning on Youtube. She talked about a future inquiry into how the pandemic was handled and also about the NI Protocol. I like the way she tackles things - she's a clear thinker and a straight speaker. A breath of fresh air. [/quote]
I quite liked the no nonsense no frills frank approach of Arlene Foster. She got zero respect from the "we need more wimmin in politics " lobby. Not that she would have sought their backing either. She has a good sense of humour too something many politicians lack.
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Post by Séamus on Mar 19, 2022 6:21:35 GMT
vale- Peter Bowles I don't remember Good Life or the short Irish.R.M series very well but the former certainly reminds me that eccentric lifestyles can eventually become the normal,while,in the Twitter era,the latter can serve as a reminder that even wedding days can be kept secret.
To The Manor Born is an interesting sitcom for conservatives to ponder. Like the Bridesheads we see people, particularly one lady,with the breeding but not the money or power in the current order of society. It's recently come to people's attention that several vice-regal properties in Britain are owned by Russians. While it wasn't the scenario with Bowles' character,he did play an embodiment of assimilation by 'newer English';his mother was portrayed with a Czech accent (don't know it well enough to say how authentically). How well do we indentify and to what extent with Mrs fforbes-Hamilton's resistance to change? Do we also look through windows with a telescope to check how neighbours wear their riding gear?
Like recently deceased Marilyn Bergman it's perhaps refreshing that some figures in the entertainment industry had successful first marriages. Not 'memories,the way we were' at all.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 19, 2022 12:00:53 GMT
vale- Peter Bowles I don't remember Good Life or the short Irish.R.M series very well but the former certainly reminds me that eccentric lifestyles can eventually become the normal,while,in the Twitter era,the latter can serve as a reminder that even wedding days can be kept secret. To The Manor Born is an interesting sitcom for conservatives to ponder. Like the Bridesheads we see people, particularly one lady,with the breeding but not the money or power in the current order of society. It's recently come to people's attention that several vice-regal properties in Britain are owned by Russians. While it wasn't the scenario with Bowles' character,he did play an embodiment of assimilation by 'newer English';his mother was portrayed with a Czech accent (don't know it well enough to say how authentically). How well do we indentify and to what extent with Mrs fforbes-Hamilton's resistance to change? Do we also look through windows with a telescope to check how neighbours wear their riding gear? Like recently deceased Marilyn Bergman it's perhaps refreshing that some figures in the entertainment industry had successful first marriages. Not 'memories,the way we were' at all. I could never really get into the Irish R.M. or To The Manor Born, but I did like one of the lesser-known shows he appeared in: Only When I Laugh, a sit-com with the rather improbable premise of three malingerers in adjacent hospital beds. (Improbable because they stretched this premise to three series and several specials!) Despite the strange set-up, it can be very funny in a formulaic way.
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Post by Séamus on Mar 20, 2022 6:03:48 GMT
vale- Peter Bowles I don't remember Good Life or the short Irish.R.M series very well but the former certainly reminds me that eccentric lifestyles can eventually become the normal,while,in the Twitter era,the latter can serve as a reminder that even wedding days can be kept secret. To The Manor Born is an interesting sitcom for conservatives to ponder. Like the Bridesheads we see people, particularly one lady,with the breeding but not the money or power in the current order of society. It's recently come to people's attention that several vice-regal properties in Britain are owned by Russians. While it wasn't the scenario with Bowles' character,he did play an embodiment of assimilation by 'newer English';his mother was portrayed with a Czech accent (don't know it well enough to say how authentically). How well do we indentify and to what extent with Mrs fforbes-Hamilton's resistance to change? Do we also look through windows with a telescope to check how neighbours wear their riding gear? Like recently deceased Marilyn Bergman it's perhaps refreshing that some figures in the entertainment industry had successful first marriages. Not 'memories,the way we were' at all. I could never really get into the Irish R.M. or To The Manor Born, but I did like one of the lesser-known shows he appeared in: Only When I Laugh, a sit-com with the rather improbable premise of three malingerers in adjacent hospital beds. (Improbable because they stretched this premise to three series and several specials!) Despite the strange set-up, it can be very funny in a formulaic way. It would be interesting to see him portray something beyond a mild-mannered upper- or uppermiddle- class gent. Penelope Keith always had the more character part but it was always very much the same character in every role she had. I would've liked to have seen how well she'd do a Moore Street dealer for example.
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Post by Séamus on May 1, 2023 12:01:18 GMT
The Charles-2 coronation will reportedly include a sentence or two in Irish. A lot will see this as a perceived overlordship-arrogance,fairly so. Or,as with the Princess of Wales' ability to look good in a bottle green outfit (with shamrock attached) every March 17,should we, rather, say again- no such thing as bad publicity?
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Post by cato on May 1, 2023 19:35:57 GMT
The Charles-2 coronation will reportedly include a sentence or two in Irish. A lot will see this as a perceived overlordship-arrogance,fairly so. Or,as with the Princess of Wales' ability to look good in a bottle green outfit (with shamrock attached) every March 17,should we, rather, say again- no such thing as bad publicity? I expected his ceremony to be a colossal cringe fest but it ticks a lot of traditional boxes. It does doff the cap to the modern craze for inclusion. I was puzzled at the inclusion of Irish but the realm does currently include Irish and Scots Gaelic speakers .
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Post by Séamus on May 3, 2023 11:33:11 GMT
The Charles-2 coronation will reportedly include a sentence or two in Irish. A lot will see this as a perceived overlordship-arrogance,fairly so. Or,as with the Princess of Wales' ability to look good in a bottle green outfit (with shamrock attached) every March 17,should we, rather, say again- no such thing as bad publicity? I expected his ceremony to be a colossal cringe fest but it ticks a lot of traditional boxes. It does doff the cap to the modern craze for inclusion. I was puzzled at the inclusion of Irish but the realm does currently include Irish and Scots Gaelic speakers . "Believed to be the world's most expensive diamond,the Kohinoor has been fought over for centuries. It's return to the spotlight prompted a swift backlash from Indians who say it should be returned to their country...The Royal Family decided the coronation crown would be reset without the stone or it's crystal quartz replica. It will instead feature three other diamonds from the royal collection:the Royal Cullinan 3,4&5. However a South African scholar argues these Jewells are also a reminder of Britain's brutal colonial past. 'The history of the Cullinan diamond is an epitome of the history of colonisation and imperialism. It is a history of degrading Africans and their rights', University of South Africa professor Everisto Benyera said." cf-abc news service If they haven't learnt by now that they won't please any of the people any of the time,I daresay they'll learn soon enough. The colonisation/diamond issue is hardly new. Wilkie Collins wrote a mystery novel about it in Victorian times- it ended with the Indians getting away with both diamond and murder. Apparently the Mr Cullinan, South African landowner,was indeed from Irish (protestant) background. (I have noticed that quite a few families who would mostly identify as Afrikaner have Irish Christian and surnames in the mix). And HM wants people to scream at their TV screens (are they really...?)... probably won't have all his subjects screaming about the same things.
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Post by Séamus on May 9, 2023 3:26:33 GMT
The Charles-2 coronation will reportedly include a sentence or two in Irish. A lot will see this as a perceived overlordship-arrogance,fairly so. Or,as with the Princess of Wales' ability to look good in a bottle green outfit (with shamrock attached) every March 17,should we, rather, say again- no such thing as bad publicity? I expected his ceremony to be a colossal cringe fest but it ticks a lot of traditiPonal boxes. It does doff the cap to the modern craze for inclusion. I was puzzled at the inclusion of Irish but the realm does currently include Irish and Scots Gaelic speakers . "...they also cheered the Duke of Wellington,victor at the 1815 Battle of Waterloo;it's a pretty ceremony;they all first touch my crown;and then kiss my hand." The diary of Queen Victoria Reading a two page spread of Queen Victoria's diary,I couldn't help wondering whether modern media has actually made us stuffier than the era that we would associate with stuffiness- "Poor old Lord Rolle who is 82,and dreadfully infirm ,in attempting to ascend the steps ,fell and rolled quite down,but was not the least hurt;when he attempted to re-ascend them,I got up and advanced to the end of the steps,in order to prevent another fall" Wonder if she realises she'd made a pun? "The Bishop of Durham stood on one side near me,but he was,as Lord Melbourne had told me, remarkably 'maladroit' and never could tell me what was to take place" "The Archbishop came in and ought to have delivered the Orb to me,but I had already got it and he as usual was so confused and puzzled....(he) had most awkwardly put the ring on the wrong finger and the consequence was that I had the greatest difficulty to take it off" "(An altar in St Edward's Chapel)was covered with sandwiches,and bottles of wine... Lord Melbourne took a glass of wine, for he seemed completely tired;I replaced my crown(which I had taken off for a few minutes),took the Orb in my left hand and the Sceptre in my right,and thus loaded proceeded through the Abbey" There's seems a freshness about it that can't exist in our time of live televising. Remark was made of Harry having to sit next to an octogenarian princess who is in the top hundred in the line of succession,as if it were an insult- but she is, unlike the Sussexes,apparently not too important to carry out royal engagements- perhaps she was insulted? Makes one question how,if so many engagements are taken by minor royals,how there can be a slimmed-down monarchy? Makes one question further how it can all be extracted from English society? While we'd agree that a foreign king can have little place outside its own nation, the Liverpool FC fans who took to booing the coronation (even granted the traditionally high numbers of Irish descent there) might ask what would be culturally left?- their major football teams are often foreign-owned and sponsored and pay enormous salaries to foreign athletes who go back to representing their own countries at international level. The Liverpool anti-anthem booing reportedly began during the Thatcher government- ironically the very prime minister whose policies were often reputedly disliked by the reigning monarch.
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Post by Tomas on May 12, 2023 8:15:07 GMT
I expected his ceremony to be a colossal cringe fest but it ticks a lot of traditiPonal boxes. It does doff the cap to the modern craze for inclusion. I was puzzled at the inclusion of Irish but the realm does currently include Irish and Scots Gaelic speakers . "...they also cheered the Duke of Wellington,victor at the 1815 Battle of Waterloo;it's a pretty ceremony;they all first touch my crown;and then kiss my hand." The diary of Queen Victoria Reading a two page spread of Queen Victoria's diary,I couldn't help wondering whether modern media has actually made us stuffier than the era that we would associate with stuffiness- "Poor old Lord Rolle who is 82,and dreadfully infirm ,in attempting to ascend the steps ,fell and rolled quite down,but was not the least hurt;when he attempted to re-ascend them,I got up and advanced to the end of the steps,in order to prevent another fall" Wonder if she realises she'd made a pun? "The Bishop of Durham stood on one side near me,but he was,as Lord Melbourne had told me, remarkably 'maladroit' and never could tell me what was to take place" "The Archbishop came in and ought to have delivered the Orb to me,but I had already got it and he as usual was so confused and puzzled....(he) had most awkwardly put the ring on the wrong finger and the consequence was that I had the greatest difficulty to take it off" "(An altar in St Edward's Chapel)was covered with sandwiches,and bottles of wine... Lord Melbourne took a glass of wine, for he seemed completely tired;I replaced my crown(which I had taken off for a few minutes),took the Orb in my left hand and the Sceptre in my right,and thus loaded proceeded through the Abbey" There's seems a freshness about it that can't exist in our time of live televising. Remark was made of Harry having to sit next to an octogenarian princess who is in the top hundred in the line of succession,as if it were an insult- but she is, unlike the Sussexes,apparently not too important to carry out royal engagements- perhaps she was insulted? Makes one question how,if so many engagements are taken by minor royals,how there can be a slimmed-down monarchy? Makes one question further how it can all be extracted from English society? While we'd agree that a foreign king can have little place outside its own nation, the Liverpool FC fans who took to booing the coronation (even granted the traditionally high numbers of Irish descent there) might ask what would be culturally left?- their major football teams are often foreign-owned and sponsored and pay enormous salaries to foreign athletes who go back to representing their own countries at international level. The Liverpool anti-anthem booing reportedly began during the Thatcher government- ironically the very prime minister whose policies were often reputedly disliked by the reigning monarch. Thanks for these glimpses into her diary, fun and thoughtful today when obvious how different times were. People booing or dismissing everything "old" is among the less likeable common marks of present (or lack of) cultural charity.
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