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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 5, 2021 8:13:04 GMT
I celebrated Christ the King and had a vigil party for All Saints day. I've reported you to the Vatican II police. Traditional Vatican II police, Truly terrifying
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Post by cato on Nov 5, 2021 10:07:06 GMT
Traditional Vatican II police, Truly terrifying [/quote] Its that Canadian prime minister . Again. Worse than Trump when it comes to mocking minorities.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 5, 2021 10:30:30 GMT
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Post by Tomas on Nov 5, 2021 15:25:25 GMT
lie and let lie, that´s my POV!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 6, 2021 1:17:54 GMT
Since I find myself online in the wee small hours, I may as well wish you all a happy all Irish saints' day.
Do other countries have an equivalent or is it just us?
It suggests to me a new explanation for the decline of Catholicism in Ireland. The Irish simply got sick of being the most Catholic country in the world and not getting any new saints. I believe there was a hiatus of centuries before St. Oliver Plunkett was canonised. By then the damage had been done and we turned to saints like Bono and Panti Bliss.
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Post by cato on Nov 6, 2021 7:04:17 GMT
Since I find myself online in the wee small hours, I may as well wish you all a happy all Irish saints' day. Do other countries have an equivalent or is it just us? It suggests to me a new explanation for the decline of Catholicism in Ireland. The Irish simply got sick of being the most Catholic country in the world and not getting any new saints. I believe there was a hiatus of centuries before St. Oliver Plunkett was canonised. By then the damage had been done and we turned to saints like Bono and Panti Bliss. I think the Cult of saints was damaged by the reorientation towards preaching on the scriptures which some clergy interpret as only preaching on the readings and the normal cycle of readings. The informal canonisation of the deceased at every funeral and the sidelining of purgatory hasn't helped. November is one of my favourite times of year with its traditional emphasis on death and the last things. I 'll post more later in the month. All the saints of Ireland. Pray for us.
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Post by Séamus on Nov 6, 2021 8:17:11 GMT
Since I find myself online in the wee small hours, I may as well wish you all a happy all Irish saints' day. Do other countries have an equivalent or is it just us? It suggests to me a new explanation for the decline of Catholicism in Ireland. The Irish simply got sick of being the most Catholic country in the world and not getting any new saints. I believe there was a hiatus of centuries before St. Oliver Plunkett was canonised. By then the damage had been done and we turned to saints like Bono and Panti Bliss. A feast like this probably suits Ireland more than most churches due to the multiplicity of ancient and obscure saints. I've seen similar days dedicated to saints of England, Wales and Scotland also but have never seen any of their All Saints'days listed liturgically in missals. Non-English-speaking missals are harder for the rest of us to come by for a comparison; it's probably also a bit harder to define countries that have changed identities and borders through the ages (whereas Ireland is Ireland). An Austrian lady gave me images many years ago of an altar in a nunnery dedicated to All Austrian Saints and explained the litany to me- prominent in both was Elizabeth of Hungary, obviously in virtue of the once-combined empire and Austria's use of Elizabeth's mother tongue. Most longstanding religious orders,of course,will celebrate an All Saints of their congregation this month.
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Post by Tomas on Nov 6, 2021 13:20:02 GMT
all Irish saints' day. Do other countries have an equivalent or is it just us? I can recall both all Nordic saints and all Sweden's saints being invoked in litanies few times a year on regular basis but actual living tradition for common celebrations on this are only weak up hereabouts. St. Bridget is remarkably widely alive in the public mind on the other hand, as far as it goes i.e. least as a figure from history to be proud of. Today Saturday secular Protestants goes to churchyards in great numbers for what's labeled "all saints day" but looks more like their version of all souls days. To give a picture: when I went there, for the short prayers, after Mass along with a pious friend from Bosnia who just wanted to say the prayers then leave, the places for candles att the center part were already filled by noon. Lots of people and hundreds of lights already lit, compared with only about 40-50 or so on the proper first time. In the news this time usually some reminds readers that this is a Catholic tradition brought in perhaps three or four generations ago. Comments when it's online has often been quite positive on the whole. The most common view would be like "ok, that's it" perhaps a little reserved and curious or confused on how they "these foreign Catholics" really think about the dead.
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Post by cato on Nov 14, 2021 15:31:05 GMT
At the rite of mass (soon to be abolished) this Sunday that I attended the Piccolo Lassus scholars sang the beautiful Delibes Messe Breve. By and large its Anglicans and traditional Catholics who actively foster classical choral music. Unfortunately the wider church doesn't seem to care with rare exceptions about high culture seeing it as elitist.
The priest preached briefly but precisely on our last judgement a topic I have rarely if ever heard mentioned nowadays. The organist played Edgar's Nimrod before the offertory which was very appropriate on Remembrance Sunday.
Unbelievable to think all of this is dangerous and needs to end.
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Post by Séamus on Dec 27, 2021 11:58:45 GMT
His Holiness seems to have taken a further swipe at attachment to the traditional Liturgy during his Christmas address to the curia. I can't help wondering whether constant attempts to strangle the extraordinary form by some doesn't display equal attachment to a liturgy of preference?
Now and then during this Christmas feast I've been gazing at a building site adjoining the chapel- empty since last Wednesday due to holiday season. The hot winds have been blowing through it and this reminded me of an opening part of Zeffirelli's Jesus of Nazareth where Olivia Hussey (Mary) after being told of her betrothal looks back at an empty neighbourhood. It's a stirring scene but did it have any real Gospel precedent or meaning? Brings to mind that Luke and Matthew,while not denying the validity of each other's Nativity account, definitely put forward their own vision of Christianity- Luke, despite traditionally being an educated gentile chooses the option for the anawim- Jewish shepherds are the embryonic community. Matthew,despite being a Jew on the Roman payroll,insists that the only significant visitors were neither poor,nor Jewish, nor even, in all probability, within the empire's borders. Mainstream Christianity accepts both accounts; are we to accept also that this clash of opinions and priorities will always be with us?
One scriptural imagery that scares us less in modern times is the use of lamb and wolf metaphors. Perhaps even into the early 20th Century the reality of wild beasts was hanging over heads even in the most industrialized countries. It briefly raised it's head again before Christmas Day when several of the beasts escaped briefly from a French wildlife park. Bram Stoker inserted a similar scene in Dracula. Notwithstanding some positive news- the Prince of Wales highlighting the plight of Christians in Iran during a recent Advent ceremony comes to mind,one may wonder how, with much of Europe and western society, including New South Wales (despite the opposition of a Opus Dei educated premier) pushing now for euthanasia for example, "our other evangelists'" can be so obsessed with stamping out traditional Liturgy. We won't accuse them of acting like hirelings, but maybe the wolf packs' short-lived escape in a country historically dubbed 'the First Daughter of the Catholic Church' is timely..... "cry wolf- time to worry...."
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 10, 2022 9:25:28 GMT
Happy Feast Day of the Shipwreck of St. Paul!
As far as I'm aware the only feast day celebrating a shipwreck, although there's probably a joke in there somewhere.
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Post by Séamus on Feb 13, 2022 12:12:24 GMT
Happy Feast Day of the Shipwreck of St. Paul! As far as I'm aware the only feast day celebrating a shipwreck, although there's probably a joke in there somewhere. "Ach guímse Rí na nAingeal 'sé a shocraíos na pláinéid Go dtuga sé slán na buachaillí ar chontúirt a bheith báite" Clannad- na Buachaillí Álainn It doesn't seem to have been common in English speaking nations during the last century, despite Malta's connection with Britain- I've been through quite a few appendices of missals that have had unusual liturgies such as The Flight Into Egypt and The Espousal (of Mary and Joseph),both from this time of the year, without ever seeing it. The actual account of the shipwreck in Acts is remarkable for it's largely unmystical descriptions- details about some being swimmers,others having to be tied to driftwood,having a meal before throwing foodstuffs overboard,soldiers arguing with sailors about dinghies and among themselves about whether prisoners should be systematically killed...no visions of Angels during the storm like earlier. Only later, when Paul performs a mundane firewood collection do we experience miraculous Divine intervention against snakebite. Reading Anne Ball's contemporary classic Modern Saints it's often the passages about moments like these that are particularly remembered- the bishop who (perhaps a rare thing in the 1800s?) went for a daily walk through his town, finding inspiration through his observations to work with a now-beatified lady educator. Or the now-canonized foundress who initially found it hard to let her protestant suitor down. "(the soldier)promised to send an ambulance down the street in front of the convent at full speed before the torches were lit. That would be the signal to escape..." Perhaps more dramatic was St Paula Frassinetti holding her nerve while rioters during the nationalist unrest of 1800s Italy threatened to burn her convent. It's perhaps purely coincidence that Portugal was the first country that she later spread to- that decades later Lucia of Fatima first joined her congregation before transferring to Carmel,but there's definitely a tie-in with symbolisms contained in the third vision or secret published in 2000 and "an angry mob" "shouting Death to the Dorotheans!". Definitely a StPaul Shipwreck-spirituality of Faith-while-battening-down-the-hatches.
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Post by Tomas on Apr 29, 2022 7:05:15 GMT
Today we will celebrate St. Peter of Verona, a saint I hadn´t even heard of before. Born by heretics then turned Dominican friar and leader of the inquisition, only to be murdered by the latter (not by his own kin though). Found this eulogy by St. Thomas of Aquino in his honour:
Here silent is Christ’s Herald; Here quenched, the People’s Light; Here lies the martyred Champion Who fought Faith’s holy fight.
The Voice the sheep heard gladly, The light they loved to see He fell beneath the weapons Of graceless Cathari.
The Saviour crowns His Soldier; His praise the people psalm. The Faith he kept adorns him With martyr’s fadeless palm.
His praise new marvels utter, New light he spreads abroad And now the whole wide city Knows well the path to God.
(Another great Dominican, third order St. Catherine of Siena have her feast today NO and tomorrow VO.)
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Post by Séamus on Apr 30, 2022 9:15:03 GMT
Today we will celebrate St. Peter of Verona, a saint I hadn´t even heard of before. Born by heretics then turned Dominican friar and leader of the inquisition, only to be murdered by the latter (not by his own kin though). Found this eulogy by St. Thomas of Aquino in his honour: Here silent is Christ’s Herald; Here quenched, the People’s Light; Here lies the martyred Champion Who fought Faith’s holy fight. The Voice the sheep heard gladly, The light they loved to see He fell beneath the weapons Of graceless Cathari. The Saviour crowns His Soldier; His praise the people psalm. The Faith he kept adorns him With martyr’s fadeless palm. His praise new marvels utter, New light he spreads abroad And now the whole wide city Knows well the path to God. (Another great Dominican, third order St. Catherine of Siena have her feast today NO and tomorrow VO.) Can I confess not having heard of Mary Elisabeth Hasselbald until her relic was brought to our chapel this week? I found her story significant for a few reasons- a 20th century Swedish saint is unusual of course, as is her adaption of Brigittine order,starting an active branch. Is Hasselbald the only person both canonized by Rome and proclaimed 'Righteous Among the Nations' by Judaism for her role of sheltering Jews in Rome during the darkest days? As the prayer we used mentioned her foundress too there was a little link there with the observing of St Catherine's day this week also- two of Europe's patrons standing against the backdrop of the raging tempests of our own times.
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Post by cato on Apr 30, 2022 10:43:57 GMT
Today we will celebrate St. Peter of Verona, a saint I hadn´t even heard of before. Born by heretics then turned Dominican friar and leader of the inquisition, only to be murdered by the latter (not by his own kin though). Found this eulogy by St. Thomas of Aquino in his honour: Here silent is Christ’s Herald; Here quenched, the People’s Light; Here lies the martyred Champion Who fought Faith’s holy fight. The Voice the sheep heard gladly, The light they loved to see He fell beneath the weapons Of graceless Cathari. The Saviour crowns His Soldier; His praise the people psalm. The Faith he kept adorns him With martyr’s fadeless palm. His praise new marvels utter, New light he spreads abroad And now the whole wide city Knows well the path to God. (Another great Dominican, third order St. Catherine of Siena have her feast today NO and tomorrow VO.) Can I confess not having heard of Mary Elisabeth Hasselbald until her relic was brought to our chapel this week? I found her story significant for a few reasons- a 20th century Swedish saint is unusual of course, as is her adaption of Brigittine order,starting an active branch. Is Hasselbald the only person both canonized by Rome and proclaimed 'Righteous Among the Nations' by Judaism for her role of sheltering Jews in Rome during the darkest days? As the prayer we used mentioned her foundress too there was a little link there with the observing of St Catherine's day this week also- two of Europe's patrons standing against the backdrop of the raging tempests of our own times. St. John xxiii has the title Righteous among the Nations for his work with Jewish refugees during World War ii.
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