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Post by Séamus on May 9, 2018 7:49:25 GMT
I agree, it's a traditional conservative issue! This is a slight sidestep from environmentalism per se, but last year I bought a slim volume,a reprint of a 1906 book, THE CHURCH AND ANIMALS, which begins with DE SALUTE GREGIS an anti-bullfighting document from Pope Pius V and ended with statements from several prominent Eighteenth Century Catholics against 'vivisection', which seems to have meant using animals for experiments. Cardinal Manning, in fact, gave an address at the anti-vivisection annual meeting 'held in the drawing-room of the Lord Chief Justice of England in Sussex Square, the chair being taken by the Earl of Shaftesbury'. He went into details about the pain that twelve animals 'chiefly rabbits and guinea pigs, of which several were pregnant' went through,'one poor little creature "far advanced in pregnancy" was made to endure dolori atrocissimi, so that it was impossible to make any observations in consequence of it's convolutions. Nothing can justify- no claim of science, no conjectural result, no hoped for discovery- such horrors as these(applause)' The speech was published in the July 1st edition of THE ZOOPHILIST. Other quotes came from Bishop Edward of Nottingham,an Archbishop Bagshawe, Archbishop Ryan of Philadelphia and Cardinal Gibbons of Baltimore, among others. (the bulk of the book dealt with animals in the lives of saints, including Joseph of Anchieta, who was only canonised by John Paul-did you know that he fed bananas to the jaguars?) |
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Post by cato on May 9, 2018 11:42:10 GMT
It is illegal in Ireland to kill whales dolphins and seals. Rightly so.
People would be outraged if this were to be changed as is the case in Japan or the Faroe Islands. Greenpeace used to show graphic brutal bloody images of the harpooning of whales in their global anti-whaling campaign.
Outside the bank of Ireland on College Green Dublin at weekends a group of activists put up graphic shocking bloody images. They refer to the "slaughter of her babies".
The group doesn't get condemned for this display of horrors. Why not? They are vegans. I find it ironic that all the kindhearted vegans I know are pro choice.
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Post by Séamus on Oct 17, 2018 7:04:26 GMT
I have never paid that much attention to it, not being of a scientific mindset, but I have two thoughts: 1) It would seem to be a highly conservative cause. Conserving nature and putting curbs on human excess is as conservative as anything. 2) I can understand how it might sometimes be a front for anti-natalism and supranationalism, and indeed this seems often to be the case. One great improvement in the Western world through the decades had been the transformation of zoos from circus-entertainment to extinction-prevention. October 17 2018 is the 120th anniversary of Perth Zoo and one beast in the 'first fleet' of animals highlights the importance of Dublin Zoo since the Victorian era: "(zoo founder)Mr. LeSouef...states that the lion comes from the celebrated Dublin stock of lions and is a magnificent animal,as fine a specimen of a two-year-old lion as he had seen. He was,however,a perfect savage with a temper all his own. Much difficulty was experienced giving him water. He tore his iron drinking pot away from it's fastenings and smashed it. Then a stout, enamelled frying- pan with a long handle was obtained and placed gingerly between the bars of the cage, only to be seized and destroyed with a crunch of the terrible jaws" I misunderstood the last sentence at first, thinking that, since it was a Dubliner lion, they were trying him with Guinness. |
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Post by Séamus on Apr 10, 2019 23:54:29 GMT
A group called Natural England want to reintroduce eagles to the Isle of Wight. About twelve months ago there was talk of reintroducing lynxes to Britain. As good as it all seems, you do wonder if it could work after a long absence? I'm sure most of the lynx's food sources are either rare themselves or considered as farming-pests.
Maybe.
In the meanwhile one body in Britain is claiming that several uses of a regular asthma-inhaler is equal in emissions to a fifteen minute car-ride and are urging asthmatics to use an environmentally friendly type. Didn't hear whether there was a price difference, which surely brings up some ethical questions.
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Post by cato on Apr 11, 2019 10:46:23 GMT
A group called Natural England want to reintroduce eagles to the Isle of Wight. About twelve months ago there was talk of reintroducing lynxes to Britain. As good as it all seems, you do wonder if it could work after a long absence? I'm sure most of the lynx's food sources are either rare themselves or considered as farming-pests. Maybe. In the meanwhile one body in Britain is claiming that several uses of a regular asthma-inhaler is equal in emissions to a fifteen minute car-ride and are urging asthmatics to use an environmentally friendly type. Didn't hear whether there was a price difference, which surely brings up some ethical questions. It can be dangerous introducing an animal, that will have no predators,into an ecosystem. Florida is having a problem with the increase in giant python snakes which have escaped captivity and are now multiplying rapidly. I do like the idea of reintroducing Golden Eagles back to Ireland and Scotland but Irish farmers have been less than enthusiastic and several birds have been shot or poisoned alas. |
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Post by Séamus on Aug 6, 2019 5:56:45 GMT
Danny Dorling almost seems like a drag queen name,but apparently he is, on the contrary, a respectable (and quite masculine) Oxford professor and author. His response to the Duke of Sussex's declaration that he and Meaghan will not have more than one or two children to combat climate change is worth reading. It was only when someone mentioned Prince Louis of Cambridge,the Cambridge's third child,that it struck me how darn rude Harry was being to his own brother.
Poor David Attenborough. What did he think when told about the excessive rubbish left at Glastonbury despite his environmental pep-talk at the festival? Lately,even an anti-Trump New York paper questioned the amount of jetsetting involved in a star-studded climate meeting in Sicily. And less-than-expected interest in the Woodstock anniversary. Did they really expect neo-hippies to be consistent?
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Post by Tomas on Aug 6, 2019 9:25:58 GMT
Danny Dorling almost seems like a drag queen name,but apparently he is, on the contrary, a respectable (and quite masculine) Oxford professor and author. His response to the Duke of Sussex's declaration that he and Meaghan will not have more than one or two children to combat climate change is worth reading. It was only when someone mentioned Prince Louis of Cambridge,the Cambridge's third child,that it struck me how darn rude Harry was being to his own brother. Poor David Attenborough. What did he think when told about the excessive rubbish left at Glastonbury despite his environmental pep-talk at the festival? Lately,even an anti-Trump New York paper questioned the amount of jetsetting involved in a star-studded climate meeting in Sicily. And less-than-expected interest in the Woodstock anniversary. Did they really expect neo-hippies to be consistent? Jetsetting "environmentalists" - sign of some weird times. What about action on current mundane terms for real poor workers or other simply ordinary people? Nothing to find of political moves for the many non profitables as they are more like the dregs of the Futuristic society? It seems that when some people can be substituted for machines it will only be a matter of time before they also will be treated as dirt. Dehumanised humanists can be dangerous indeed.
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