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Post by Antaine on May 27, 2018 11:30:18 GMT
What's all this talk about a "quiet revolution" I keep hearing about? What aspect of the Pro-Choice side was quiet? When they were on O'Connell street shouting scum at Pro -Life marchers? Was it all the harpies in the street shrieking worse than banshees about misogyny? Was it the constant barrage of pro-legalised abortion propaganda in the media throughout the years? Or perhaps people, like my old school friend, who had to have an obnoxious rant about it on their Facebook page at least twice a day? What part of this group of people was quiet?
There was no "quiet revolution". Leo Varadkar and his ilk are lying degenerates, attempting to romanticise something that never can be, nor ever will be, romanticised.
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Post by cato on May 27, 2018 12:23:43 GMT
What's all this talk about a "quiet revolution" I keep hearing about? What aspect of the Pro-Choice side was quiet? When they were on O'Connell street shouting scum at Pro -Life marchers? Was it all the harpies in the street shrieking worse than banshees about misogyny? Was it the constant barrage of pro-legalised abortion propaganda in the media throughout the years? Or perhaps people, like my old school friend, who had to have an obnoxious rant about it on their Facebook page at least twice a day? What part of this group of people was quiet? There was no "quiet revolution". Leo Varadkar and his ilk are lying degenerates, attempting to romanticise something that never can be, nor ever will be, romanticised. You make a very good point Antaine. There has been a constant and very sucessful attempt made by repealers to move attention away from the taking of life to vacuous but appealing slogans and misleading sound bites. The virtue signalling worked. The Yes campaign managed to turn their vote into a feel good experience. Larissa Nolan a pro life Feminist atheist has a very good article in the Sunday Times today on the nastiness that she encountered and the new fashionable liberal intolerance. Perhaps the Shrieking Shrill Revolution would be a better title?
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Post by cato on May 27, 2018 12:29:15 GMT
David Quinn and Brenda Power are also very good on events post the Revolution in the Sunday Times.
Justine mc Carthys triumphalistic purple prose was to expected. Being gracious in victory is not one of her virtues it would seem.
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Post by assisi on May 27, 2018 16:06:26 GMT
How can this government and similar types in the future ever celebrate St Patrick's day and keep a straight face? The saint would turn in his grave and assert that the snakes are back.
How can they celebrate the Easter Rising while killing children and handing sovereignty to Germany and France.
What a farce.
Obviously for many people religion and nationalism no longer matter. Religion is only there for baptism, holy communion and funerals (if you fancy them). Nationalism is only there for donning a green hat for international rugby or soccer matches.
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Post by servantofthechief on May 27, 2018 16:13:36 GMT
The republic is dead.
I know as a monarchist I've stated this in the past on my blog for other, less egregious outrages against God and Ireland (by comparison) but at this moment, the Republic is an enemy institution inflicted on the Irish nation, they flagrantly hate the proclamation, the constitution, the men who founded the nation with bitter blood sweat and tears, our ancestors, our children, our language, our heritage, our patrimony, our posterity, our God, our Saints, our angels and everything that is good, green and Irish. Democracy and its barnacle institutions such as the media establishment has been used as a weapon against the nation. I feel sorry for the men of good will who are republicans (there was at least one pro-life left wing republican group out there that promoting a no vote, good on those good men, at least they are honest) but I will no longer deny the fact I am openly an enemy of the republic for the sake of the possibility of the ship one day being righted on its own. This government is just going to keep going down this sick, degenerate, twisted path to damnation and national extinction, it is not worth any kind of respect ordinarily owed to princes and parliaments.
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Post by Séamus on May 28, 2018 2:06:29 GMT
The republic is dead. I know as a monarchist I've stated this in the past on my blog for other, less egregious outrages against God and Ireland...etc It should be kept in mind A) Britain has had liberal abortion laws since the 60s- these, like Cameron's gay-marriage laws, were signed by Elizabeth II. Monarchies can be so intent on keeping their own place that everything else becomes secondary. There were exceptions in Belgium and Luxembourg, but neither of the temporary abdications did any more than bear witness to the monarchs beliefs. I was told , admittedly, that Queen Elizabeth did indeed allude to the witness of catholic monarchs during the visit to Britain of Benedict XVI and told him that his values 'are my values also'. Didn't hear the speech myself. B) as awful as the final results were, Irish republic has kept off for longer than most countries of Europe. According to a WASHINGTON POST written report, Ireland is now 'in line with the other 27 (EU) members'... I'm not sure if that's literally true,I don't recall Malta changing it's laws (admittedly it's a Commonwealth nation, but it's resilience is hardly from that.) C) allowing expatriates to return to vote may be frowned upon by some, but AT LEAST Ireland makes them do that, several European countries allow voting in embassies and consulates around the world by emigrants who may never again visit their place of birth. TELEGRAPH columnist Ruth Dudley Edwards wrote yesterday ' I'm one of those people who emigrated because I hated being controlled by a joyless, bullying, intolerant version of Catholicism combined with conservative peasant values'. Lets hope she stays where she is. The worst part of it is seeing , at this very time, countries like Poland and even USA begin to turn the tide. But it's generational change, hopefully Ireland won't take as long
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 28, 2018 5:33:12 GMT
The republic is dead. I know as a monarchist I've stated this in the past on my blog for other, less egregious outrages against God and Ireland...etc It should be kept in mind A) Britain has had liberal abortion laws since the 60s- these, like Cameron's gay-marriage laws, were signed by Elizabeth II. Monarchies can be so intent on keeping their own place that everything else becomes secondary. There were exceptions in Belgium and Luxembourg, but neither of the temporary abdications did any more than bear witness to the monarchs beliefs. I was told , admittedly, that Queen Elizabeth did indeed allude to the witness of catholic monarchs during the visit to Britain of Benedict XVI and told him that his values 'are my values also'. Didn't hear the speech myself. B) as awful as the final results were, Irish republic has kept off for longer than most countries of Europe. According to a WASHINGTON POST written report, Ireland is now 'in line with the other 27 (EU) members'... I'm not sure if that's literally true,I don't recall Malta changing it's laws (admittedly it's a Commonwealth nation, but it's resilience is hardly from that.) C) allowing expatriates to return to vote may be frowned upon by some, but AT LEAST Ireland makes them do that, several European countries allow voting in embassies and consulates around the world by emigrants who may never again visit their place of birth. TELEGRAPH columnist Ruth Dudley Edwards wrote yesterday ' I'm one of those people who emigrated because I hated being controlled by a joyless, bullying, intolerant version of Catholicism combined with conservative peasant values'. Lets hope she stays where she is. The worst part of it is seeing , at this very time, countries like Poland and even USA begin to turn the tide. But it's generational change, hopefully Ireland won't take as long I see from my Australia calendar that May 26th is National Sorry Day, when the nation apologises to the aborigines. Perhaps it could be our National Sorry Day for the unborn.
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Post by Séamus on May 28, 2018 5:59:36 GMT
[quote author=" Maolsheachlann" source=. Perhaps it could be our National Sorry Day for the unborn. [/quote] The actual apology came during the government of Kevin Rudd who, while stating his opposition, allowed his government to resume abortion-funding as part of its overseas aid programme (Sorry Day did predate this however,I only came across a visitors book used for signing SORRY messages by St Anne's parish, before it was closed as a regular parish) Milo Yiannopolous is reportedly visiting Australia again, apparently, at his last visit, he asked why anyone would apologise to a race that hadn't invented the wheel yet. Well, they hadn't, but I'm not sure that wheels would have actually been of much use back then. Incidentally,did you hear about San Diego Zoo's Maori-aboriginal faux pas?(not an Irish joke)
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 28, 2018 6:11:05 GMT
I do like Milo Yiannapolous, on the whole, but this attitude of contempt towards "backward" cultures is something I don't share. People like him and Ben Shapiro are always arguing that cultures aren't equal. Maybe they are not equal, but I think every culture has its own value and dignity, whatever its shortcomings.
No, I haven't heard about that zoo thing.
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Post by cato on May 28, 2018 9:36:45 GMT
The former pro lifer who didn't trust women Leo Varadkar was congratulated by Theresa May on the great vote and exercise in democracy! So much for British conservatism and her much lauded "christian"belief. Similarly but totally predictably , catholic Justin Xavier Trudeau was on the phone to pat Leo on the back. The Estonian and Luxemburg governments also joined the chorus of jackals.
The pope was too busy doing something else to make a comment.
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Post by cato on May 28, 2018 12:04:37 GMT
This could bring May toppling down. Labour are talking about trying to bring the UK abortion act into the North to take advantage of the weakness of the Tory government. The DUP have made it clear this is a no go area for them.
If they pull the plug on the Tories the 25/5/18 Revolution may ultimately see the most left wing British government ever come to power. And what will happen then with Brexit etc is anyones guess. This is one of the effects of Revolutions -We never know how they end up. Theresa May may yet regret her telegram of congratulations to Leo.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 28, 2018 12:16:36 GMT
Disappointed in Theresa May. But Thatcher was also wonky on abortion.
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Post by Séamus on May 28, 2018 13:30:00 GMT
Disappointed in Theresa May. But Thatcher was also wonky on abortion. There have been few women leaders that could be considered 'champions' of pioneer abortion law or forced sterilisation than Indira Gandhi. Yet she could be considered more of an anti-communist 'iron lady' than Thatcher. I once came across a late 60s newspaper that had been used for packing. It had an article about the pro-communist protests and ' lock in' tactics currently taking place in India. The sheer extent and numbers would have been terrifying, as would the effect of the world's largest democracy falling to communism. Perhaps Indian culture would have made the longevity of communism in that country unlikely, however. Thatcher battled nothing like this, and cracks were well in eastern Europe by the time of her prime ministership. Nor was Labour's then socialist leadership at all popular. At least both countries survived communism under Thatcher and Ghandi, it may not still be the case in the Britain of the near future. If Mrs May constantly takes a leftist stand on moral issues went shouldn't the more conservative swing voters feel they might just as well try Corbyn?
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Post by cato on May 28, 2018 15:56:21 GMT
Disappointed in Theresa May. But Thatcher was also wonky on abortion. There have been few women leaders that could be considered 'champions' of pioneer abortion law or forced sterilisation than Indira Gandhi. Yet she could be considered more of an anti-communist 'iron lady' than Thatcher. I once came across a late 60s newspaper that had been used for packing. It had an article about the pro-communist protests and ' lock in' tactics currently taking place in India. The sheer extent and numbers would have been terrifying, as would the effect of the world's largest democracy falling to communism. Perhaps Indian culture would have made the longevity of communism in that country unlikely, however. Thatcher battled nothing like this, and cracks were well in eastern Europe by the time of her prime ministership. Nor was Labour's then socialist leadership at all popular. At least both countries survived communism under Thatcher and Ghandi, it may not still be the case in the Britain of the near future. If Mrs May constantly takes a leftist stand on moral issues went shouldn't the more conservative swing voters feel they might just as well try Corbyn? On a previous thread I mentioned Mrs Thatcher the early Reagan and Barry Goldwater an iconic figure of the US right as prominent supporters of "choice" mainly on the grounds of radical individual freedom and that the state should not interfere in personal matters. While these are fine ideas there needs to be a balance with the common good and the need to preserve the most fundamental right of all. Seamus it was the Russian Red Army who gave Thatcher the Iron Lady title in mockery but they came to regret that remark. There have been attempts to argue that Marxist tyranny would have fallen away and Thatcher ,Reagan and St .John Paul's anticommunism was irrelevant to that great event. I beg to differ. Their unpopular views among the media and the arty types at least , gave great hope and courage to people in the Soviet bloc especially in Poland East Germany and the Czech Republic.In the 1980s the Red army planned to invade Poland during the Solidarity movement era to crush dissent so things could easily have gone the Chinese route had that happened. No one is predicting the collapse of China any time soon. As for May she is a disapointment. Corybn however would be a disaster economically and internationally. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sinn Fein occupy their seats in London if the former troops out leader advocated a British pullout of Northern Ireland. If he gets a chance to implement his ideas ,and granted he may not be able to get all his party to back him , things will begin to resemble Venezuela in this neck of the woods. Be careful what you wish for. Some pro lifers in Ireland welcomed the extreme measures proposed by the current government on the grounds the people would reject them as no one wanted abortion on demand. Well now we know 70% of the Irish voted for that very prospect.I suspect some of the soft Yes people will come to regret their decisions but it ll be a little bit too late at that stage.
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on May 29, 2018 13:07:14 GMT
'But when a new generation arises and the democracy falls into the hands of the grandchildren of its founders, they have become so accustomed to freedom and equality that they no longer value them, and begin to aim at pre-eminence; and it is chiefly those of ample fortune who fall into this error. So when they begin to lust for power and cannot attain it through themselves or their own good qualities, they ruin their estates, tempting and corrupting the people in every possible way. And hence when by their foolish thirst for reputation they have created among the masses an appetite for gifts and the habit of receiving them, democracy in its turn is abolished and changes into a rule of force and violence. For the people, having grown accustomed to feed at the expense of others and to depend for their livelihood on the property of others, as soon as they find a leader who is enterprising but is excluded from the houses of office by his penury, institute the rule of violence; and now uniting their forces massacre, banish, and plunder, until they degenerate again into perfect savages and find once more a master and monarch.'
- Polybius, the Histories, Book VI, chapter ii
The Republic is indeed dead. Worse than being a rights abuser, it is now a rights inverter. Already the revolutionaries are instituting a Terror.
Here's an actual photograph of the anacyclosis ticking forward from democracy to ochlocracy. Remember this picture all the days of your life. A correctly constituted republic must have a mixed constitution which short circuits the flaws that allow the three evil forms of government - tyranny, oligarchy and the mob - to emerge. Ours never had that, opting for a feeble, barely adversarial parliamentary democracy with a blurred line between the executive and legislative powers.
The next point on the cycle is the return to the state of nature. Between then and now, one by one the rest of your rights will vanish - speech, assembly, property, due process and even your life.
Plan accordingly.
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