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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 3, 2017 11:07:15 GMT
That is horrific and depressing.
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Mrs May
Sept 3, 2017 12:07:55 GMT
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Post by tomás laserian on Sept 3, 2017 12:07:55 GMT
Well that just blew it! What a mess. Edifying to see the Scottish Nationalists humiliated but champagne bottles will be popping in Brussels. i disagree. if i were a Scotsman I'd be more than enthusiastic about secession looking at that issue alone. the Scottish conservative leader was an open lesbian. there was little evidence of a real populist swing to the right there
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Sept 3, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 3, 2017 16:58:12 GMT
I beg to differ Tomas. The Tories are now the main opposition to the politically correct socialist nationalist government in Edinburgh. I fail to see why the sexual orientation of the Tory leader would lead one to support a party which wants to break up the UK and campaigned for another Independence referendum. It would be a little like voting for Neil Kinnock's Labour party simply because you disapproved of Mrs Thatcher being married to a divorcee. Some Tory grandees have a problem with women leaders . In addition Ruth Davidson is also - horror of horrors working class ! In an electoral disaster she alone managed to get electoral gains.
Whether the Conservative party is conservative is another matter of course
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Sept 4, 2017 2:29:15 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Sept 4, 2017 2:29:15 GMT
I beg to differ Tomas. The Tories are now the main opposition to the politically correct socialist nationalist government in Edinburgh. I fail to see why the sexual orientation of the Tory leader would lead one to support a party which wants to break up the UK and campaigned for another Independence referendum. It would be a little like voting for Neil Kinnock's Labour party simply because you disapproved of Mrs Thatcher being married to a divorcee. Some Tory grandees have a problem with women leaders . In addition Ruth Davidson is also - horror of horrors working class ! In an electoral disaster she alone managed to get electoral gains. Whether the Conservative party is conservative is another matter of course I would definitely be campaigning for referendum after referendum myself,I would feel that my own Scottish identity called for seceding. Depending on the EU wouldn't be good, but there was plenty of danger for fledgling Ireland in the days also. The Royal family are far too deeply ingrained in Scottish culture for a Republican movement, but few people are asking for that. I think its unfortunate that this wasn't a bigger issue with Scottish voters
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Post by cato on Sept 4, 2017 15:13:32 GMT
One of the completely bonkers aspects of scottish nationalist/sinn fein ideology is the swapping of a high degree of self government and occasional ability to influence national politics by holding the balance of power, for immersion in a superstate project which is run largely for the benefit of Germany.
Of course the only principle SF now holds is not taking their seats in Westminster and representing their electorate. They do of course accept the Queens salaries and even have Westminster offices.
Anglophobia seems to over ride the national interest , the power to make decisions for ourselves and even common sense. Perhaps the European union's rather generous salaries and expenses to its' rather powerless MEPs explains their fondness for suppressing what little sovereignty we have left.
The SNP and SF despise everything remotely conservative and traditional embracing every left wing progressive doolally crackpot idea.
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Sept 5, 2017 0:58:58 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Sept 5, 2017 0:58:58 GMT
Wasn't there similar danger when the Irish Free State was formed, with socialism within a lot of Republicans and Bolshevik-ism on the rise without? Does that mean that the Union jack should still be flying? Scotland may well be left-wing and secular as an independent state;I doubt whether the EU could be entirely blamed for that, though. But, for me, that isn't the deciding factor-they have a culture and history that rivals England's. They should have a completely separate and independent National identity. No doubt money and economy is the trump card with most voters. I doubt whether Ireland's prospects looked great in that area at the time either.
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Sept 5, 2017 7:20:24 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 5, 2017 7:20:24 GMT
I think the United Kingdom is a unique entity. It seems to be compatible with the national identity of its members and most patriotic English, Welsh and Scots seem to have supported it until recently. Even now I think Scotch nationalism is morw motivated by the considerations Cato mentions. As for socialist Irish republicanism, I think it was very much a minority view when the State was founded. Personally I was cheering for Scotland to vote for independence, but only to annoy all the celebs.
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Sept 6, 2017 7:04:25 GMT
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Post by tomás laserian on Sept 6, 2017 7:04:25 GMT
unconvinced about Scotland. Kate Middleton's third pregnancy has caused some brits to point out that the British government no longer gives a baby bonus fora third child. i never knew about this anyway. proven rape cases are excepted. i was surprised. i suppose happily surprised that the government isn't pushing rape cases to abort. But isn't it strange in the face of Mrs Mays government funding all forms of birth control in Africa, ,?
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Sept 6, 2017 7:51:04 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Sept 6, 2017 7:51:04 GMT
I mentioned the election today to the Glaswegian driver of the Belmont city shuttle. He was there at the time. His reaction to the whole thing probably sums up what the main consideration was for most: What would happen to a stand-alone Scotland if the oil ran out and the whisky stopped flowing? Well, I can't see the latter happening. And sometimes you have to not worry about these things.
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Post by cato on Sept 6, 2017 22:29:07 GMT
I mentioned the election today to the Glaswegian driver of the Belmont city shuttle. He was there at the time. His reaction to the whole thing probably sums up what the main consideration was for most: What would happen to a stand-alone Scotland if the oil ran out and the whisky stopped flowing? Well, I can't see the latter happening. And sometimes you have to not worry about these things. To qualify for the Euro currency Scotland would need to drastically cut back on its generous social spending. Even if it kept the UK pound , which would require English permission ,it would inherit a share of the huge UK national debt, an additional drain which needs to funded, again leading to a decline in social services. Scottish independence won't happen unless they want to be outside the EU as Spain has made it clear it will veto any new secessionist states in order to deter its' own Catalan minority from seeking independence within the EU. The nationalist crusade is a fantasy which ignores economic and diplomatic reality.
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Nov 15, 2017 23:26:24 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Nov 15, 2017 23:26:24 GMT
Mrs May was speedy in congratulating Australians for voting in favour of gay marriage. Several electorates didn't, nearly all in Western Sydney, where Islamic immigrants make large minority of the population. If it still is a minority. And yet the Labor mp who represents one of these still insists he will vote for same sex marriage in parliament, despite it not being the will of his voters. Perhaps there monkey-puzzle is something May is all too familiar with?
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Post by Séamus on Feb 9, 2018 3:15:19 GMT
Mrs May has said that she's deeply disappointed by Bermuda becoming the first government to ban same sex marriage after legalisation, but respects the their rights as an semi-independent territory. Lesson 1: It can be done. Although Australia, for one, has now had 400 since December, it mightn't be my lifetime Lesson 2: Bermudans can at least be thankful that a) the British government respects them b) they aren't an overseas territory of Canada
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