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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 20, 2018 9:20:52 GMT
As far as I can see, they are anti-EU, anti-mass immigration, and anti-multiculturalism so my view of them is positive. I am always in favour of nationalism against globalism.
I know they have fascists roots but I don't care about the origins of parties, just what they are presently.
Maolsheachlann that would be a stupendous naive stance and looks extremely optimistic and foreign in my honest opinion. If real nationalism comes back here it will only be becuase of popular fights worldwide and not to their credit. These types are not fascist roots but sinister and often terribly "nazified" jerks presently! Much much more fake martyrlike "anti-catholic villains" than pure nationalist. No one should take it seriously if it weren´t that they have grabbed the moment. The only popular cards they have are those three mentioned. Those three are no problem and shared by millions others here too. Playing them falsely does not help tackling the Islamist problem proper either. They provoke even more troubles than helping to build for good solid and certainly necessary changes. For that we need Conservatism, as well as the democratic spirit and genuine Swedish support from the broad people. How ever flawed the majority of people stands today, it´s not too good to let nasty opportunists get away with anything just because of adjusted propaganda machinery. SD is a deplorable tragedy. In terms of politics a mainstream complaints queue. (Sorry for getting upset.) Well, you're allowed to get upset, but my experience is that ANYONE who speaks against the E.U., globalisation, poltiical correctness etc. etc. gets called a Nazi, fascists, opportunist. I've stopped listening to such denunciations. So you may well be right, but I can only judge from my own standpoint. As I say, I am sure you have a better awareness of the specifics. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 20, 2018 9:42:12 GMT
As far as I can see, they are anti-EU, anti-mass immigration, and anti-multiculturalism so my view of them is positive. I am always in favour of nationalism against globalism.
I know they have fascists roots but I don't care about the origins of parties, just what they are presently.
Maolsheachlann that would be a stupendous naive stance and looks extremely optimistic and foreign in my honest opinion. If real nationalism comes back here it will only be becuase of popular fights worldwide and not to their credit. These types are not fascist roots but sinister and often terribly "nazified" jerks presently! Much much more fake martyrlike "anti-catholic villains" than pure nationalist. No one should take it seriously if it weren´t that they have grabbed the moment. The only popular cards they have are those three mentioned. Those three are no problem and shared by millions others here too. Playing them falsely does not help tackling the Islamist problem proper either. They provoke even more troubles than helping to build for good solid and certainly necessary changes. For that we need Conservatism, as well as the democratic spirit and genuine Swedish support from the broad people. How ever flawed the majority of people stands today, it´s not too good to let nasty opportunists get away with anything just because of adjusted propaganda machinery. SD is a deplorable tragedy. In terms of politics a mainstream complaints queue. (Sorry for getting upset.) Well, you're allowed to get upset, but my experience is that ANYONE who speaks against the E.U., globalisation, poltiical correctness etc. etc. gets called a Nazi, fascists, opportunist. I've stopped listening to such denunciations. So you may well be right, but I can only judge from my own standpoint. As I say, I am sure you have a better awareness of the specifics. We have to make some distinctions even among anti-agendas? What you say is true, as far as it goes, but going against the global Machine one have to struggle on and nail specifics to a minimum extent at least. The alternative would tend to be close to "nonsense chaos vs. nonsense chaos". Cultural marxism might be the worst elusive evil for centuries so I don´t know how to deal with it, only that it is meaningless to suppose weak phenomens like SDs politics be any solid weaponry to get away with it. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 20, 2018 9:49:30 GMT
But what specifically do you dislike about them?
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Post by Tomas on Sept 20, 2018 10:48:53 GMT
But what specifically do you dislike about them? Apart from what I already wrote / They are a nauseating thing in so many aspects (racism, lies, cult-like) / there are countless "incidents" of leading members and local representatives doing really low propaganda things like saying all muslims are raping apes, deliberate ranting on various matters, making populist themes "on demand", brandishing manipulative statistics, and playing down every obvious setback in having to admit of having actual Nazis in their midst and not 30 years ago. You will not see that in every overview news story. It´parallell to the plague in the Church! We all know about what the worst scums have been doing and covering up there - and not 30 years ago there either! - and still, to be honest, it is very hard indeed to find the necessary solid action to openly frame them without meeting every disgraceful nastiness in the same kind of awful returns in the media. It´s the devil at work so no wonder the plagues are murky. But in lack of good counterforce the farces just goes on and on. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 20, 2018 11:03:03 GMT
On a more positive note one could add that the Swedish Nazis (like the German too?) were/are opposed to the other troubling force namely the Masonic liberals. Both are against Cultural Marxism in theory but none have proved any good in practice, have they? So in the wider perspective these sinister sd cult party MIGHT prove some effect against them, and thus plays some incidental part for an all different Christian (Catholic) dawn someday when this mess is gone - and Holy Mass restored in a less liberal world...
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 20, 2018 11:15:56 GMT
On a more positive note one could add that the Swedish Nazis (and the German too?) were/are opposed to the other troubling force namely the Masonic liberals. Both are against Cultural Marxism in theory but none have proved any good in practice, have they? So in the wider perspective these sinister sd cult party MIGHT prove some effect against them, and thus plays some incidental part for an all different Christian (Catholic) dawn someday when this mess is gone - and Holy Mass restored in a less liberal world... Well, I think it's important to remember that nationality is different from religion. Perhaps one day there will be a restoration of a Catholic order in Europe...I'm not holding my breath....but the defence of the nation is quite separate from that. We can still defend the nation state. UKIP had their fair share of loony coucillors who said outrageous things, which the media (of course) played up to the maximum extent possible. But it didn't turn me against UKIP. It's very hard to tell, because I literally don't believe one word the media say about populist parties or populist movements. The media is globalist. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 20, 2018 11:36:17 GMT
There are lies and truths in every camp and every media group. Not reducable to 100% lies on ALL major information sources for 10 million people supposed to be entirely unable to distingish the differences. If only SOME few artibrarly populists were something altogether different than every other Swedes, being at the same time both alienating humbugs and especially good men, it would be over the top for my small deposit of common sense. (I am not meaning the popular populists we do like without any reservation!)
Conclusion: yes globalist media lies all the time but they are not alone in doing so, and every sane man has at least some capability to looking for the truth in those pack of lies. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 20, 2018 11:38:12 GMT
I fully agree the quest for nationalism is a whole different matter!
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