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Post by cato on Nov 3, 2018 22:10:57 GMT
The Irish of former generations and more specifically catholic Irish are regularly metaphorically horse whipped for moralising and hypocrisy. Most of them are now dead so this takes zero courage.The dead can't fight back or contradict you.
Our modern secular establishment however can't resist the opportunity to lecture us and strike a pose . Some things never really change. This weekend the Labour party agreed to boycott the Eurovision if it was held in Jerusalem even though it was always going to be held in Tel Aviv!
Israel is uniquely wicked so we must boycott them culturally and economically. I didn't notice any condemnation of the vile Saudi regime or the atheistic Chinese dictatorship currently persecuting moslems and christians on a wide scale .
On the RTE website former RTE staff member Mike Murphy opines; ' Now with the overwhelming Referendum result (overturningthe 8th amendment) in hand we have shown the world that we are a progressive independent and compassionate people who can lead the way as an example in world diplomacy.'
Sometimes the mask slips. Being pro abortion now qualifies you to lecture the rest of humanity!Somehow the referendum result gives us a special moral superiority. The silly idea that any one abroad listens or notices our strutting around is deluded.
Just as abortion is deep down a rejection of God given life so anti Israeli prejudice is deep down sometimes a rejection of God's revelation to the Jews and the moral law.
If Mike Murphy wants a moral cause to get exercised over perhaps he could echo the condemnation of China's invasion of Tibet that the Irish government made in the 1960s? Perhaps he could lend his moral weight to to standing up to a dictatorship that continues to crush an ancient peace loving civilisation . Free Tibet now?
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Post by Séamus on Nov 4, 2018 1:10:12 GMT
The Irish of former generations and more specifically catholic Irish are regularly metaphorically horse whipped for moralising and hypocrisy. Most of them are now dead so this takes zero courage.The dead can't fight back or contradict you. Our modern secular establishment however can't resist the opportunity to lecture us and strike a pose . Some things never really change. This weekend the Labour party agreed to boycott the Eurovision if it was held in Jerusalem even though it was always going to be held in Tel Aviv! Israel is uniquely wicked so we must boycott them culturally and economically....etcc...? I doubt whether the ultra-orthodox Jews would have ever allowed it there anyway |
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Post by cato on Nov 4, 2018 11:37:07 GMT
]I doubt whether the ultra-orthodox Jews would have ever allowed it there anyway[/quote]
Politically though I would hazard a guess the current Israeli government would like to host it in Jerusalem.
You seem to credit the Rabbis with John Charles Mc Quaid like moral powers. There has been an annual Gay pride march in Jerusalem since 2002. The Eurovision would blend in nicely.
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Post by Séamus on Nov 4, 2018 12:03:29 GMT
]I doubt whether the ultra-orthodox Jews would have ever allowed it there anyway Politically though I would hazard a guess the current Israeli government would like to host it in Jerusalem. You seem to credit the Rabbis with John Charles Mc Quaid like moral powers. There has been an annual Gay pride march in Jerusalem since 2002. The Eurovision would blend in nicely.[/quote] They may not have political power, but they do get heard. How many nations in the world have hotels where lifts stop at each level one day of the week to prevent people breaking her Sabbath? I can remember a lot of unimpressed Jews when the absurd DanaInternational won. Of course most winners are absurd now. It would be of interest to see how many Western Palestine-supporters (and I'm far from not sympathising) also raise their voices against the genocide in Yemen, which almost makes Palestinians look like they have it good |
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Post by cato on Nov 5, 2018 10:35:47 GMT
Labour party TD Alan Kelly has denounced as 'Barbaric' two amendments to the government's Abortion bill currently before the Dail. The proposed changes that attracted his righteous indignation are 1) A proposal a pregnant woman (person) would have to listen to the fetal heart beat prior to the termination and 2) That the terminated remains be given a dignified disposal/burial.
I can understand a reluctance to compel someone to listen to the heartbeat prior to ending that life but there is a counter argument that it brings home the total finality of that action too.
As for opposing 2) ..I presume Mr Kelly is one of those disgusted by the allegations surrounding the Tuam burials of 60/70 years ago. Is there not a glaring inconsistency here? A few months ago the unborn had full legal protection. In a few months time they won't have the right to a decent burial. That's whats called compassion and progress in the Ireland of 2018.
And Mr Kelly thinks it's Barbaric to give the weakest a decent burial. I wonder who is really the Barbarian here?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 5, 2018 11:01:26 GMT
Labour party TD Alan Kelly has denounced as 'Barbaric' two amendments to the government's Abortion bill currently before the Dail. The proposed changes that attracted his righteous indignation are 1) A proposal a pregnant woman (person) would have to listen to the fetal heart beat prior to the termination and 2) That the terminated remains be given a dignified disposal/burial. I can understand a reluctance to compel someone to listen to the heartbeat prior to ending that life but there is a counter argument that it brings home the total finality of that action too. As for opposing 2) ..I presume Mr Kelly is one of those disgusted by the allegations surrounding the Tuam burials of 60/70 years ago. Is there not a glaring inconsistency here? A few months ago the unborn had full legal protection. In a few months time they won't have the right to a decent burial. That's whats called compassion and progress in the Ireland of 2018. And Mr Kelly thinks it's Barbaric to give the weakest a decent burial. I wonder who is really the Barbarian here? What's striking is that the Labour Party, once described as the political wing of the St. Vincent de Paul, has now become so aggressively secularist. Although it's possible the St. Vincent de Paul have followed them to some degree... |
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Post by assisi on Nov 5, 2018 16:29:15 GMT
Labour party TD Alan Kelly has denounced as 'Barbaric' two amendments to the government's Abortion bill currently before the Dail. The proposed changes that attracted his righteous indignation are 1) A proposal a pregnant woman (person) would have to listen to the fetal heart beat prior to the termination and 2) That the terminated remains be given a dignified disposal/burial. I can understand a reluctance to compel someone to listen to the heartbeat prior to ending that life but there is a counter argument that it brings home the total finality of that action too. As for opposing 2) ..I presume Mr Kelly is one of those disgusted by the allegations surrounding the Tuam burials of 60/70 years ago. Is there not a glaring inconsistency here? A few months ago the unborn had full legal protection. In a few months time they won't have the right to a decent burial. That's whats called compassion and progress in the Ireland of 2018. And Mr Kelly thinks it's Barbaric to give the weakest a decent burial. I wonder who is really the Barbarian here? As regards proposal 1, there is an interesting aside to the movie 'Gosnell' where one of the actresses had a real life abortion story to tell. She arrived at an abortion clinic for the scheduled abortion and an experienced nurse gave her a stethoscope and suggested she listen to the baby's heartbeat. The nurse then left her alone for a while. The girl, on hearing the heartbeat couldn't go through with the abortion and left the clinic. As she related the story she spoke of her little boy celebrating his 6th birthday and how glad she was that that nurse had the foresight to do what she did. |
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Post by Séamus on Nov 6, 2018 7:16:19 GMT
Labour party TD..etc... I wonder who is really the Barbarian here? What's striking is that the Labour Party, once described as the political wing of the St. Vincent de Paul, has now become so aggressively secularist. Although it's possible the St. Vincent de Paul have followed them to some degree... I notice that there can be the St Vincent dePaul Society and, then the St Vincent dePaul Society. There's still quite a few old stalwarts in shrinking parish 'conferences' a world away from the corporate SVDP. |
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Post by cato on Feb 25, 2019 21:19:56 GMT
Meanwhile the secular political altar boy of Fianna Fail Micheal Martin has denounced the denying of communion to one of his TDs as "unchristian". This is either incredibly outrageous or a new low in superficiality. As Mr Martin would do anything to become Taoiseach nothing he says should surprise us.
I presume like most people today he defines Christian behaviour as being nice and inoffensively polite.
Betraying your pro life promises, undermining your party's pro life stance at a crucial moment , legislating for a cruel inhumane law targeting the defenceless , while posturing as being morally superior etc etc - those little things have absolutely nothing to do with christianity in the smug respectable world of Mr Martin.
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Post by cato on Mar 7, 2019 22:36:35 GMT
The Taoiseach who likes to pose as being hip by getting photos taken jogging with Justin Trudeau and various minor celebrities at pop concerts has praised primary children "striking" for climate change.
As usual our comotose media have raised no critical comment about this self indulgent nonsense. Mr Varadkar is officially at least a grown up. He is also head of government and has a duty to insist children get a full and proper education. These children are protesting as they are terrified after being fed an ongoing campaign of apocalyptic alarmist propaganda on a seemingly daily basis. If they were bombarded by examples of other social evils they would be on strike full time.
It is also ridiculous that under 12s can "strike" at all. It used to be called mitching from school and was frowned on by the grown ups. For our Taoiseach to be encouraging this gesture politics is sadly and pathetically entirely predictable. Go Leo!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 8, 2019 9:59:43 GMT
The Taoiseach who likes to pose as being hip by getting photos taken jogging with Justin Trudeau and various minor celebrities at pop concerts has praised primary children "striking" for climate change. As usual our comotose media have raised no critical comment about this self indulgent nonsense. Mr Varadkar is officially at least a grown up. He is also head of government and has a duty to insist children get a full and proper education. These children are protesting as they are terrified after being fed an ongoing campaign of apocalyptic alarmist propaganda on a seemingly daily basis. If they were bombarded by examples of other social evils they would be on strike full time. It is also ridiculous that under 12s can "strike" at all. It used to be called mitching from school and was frowned on by the grown ups. For our Taoiseach to be encouraging this gesture politics is sadly and pathetically entirely predictable. Go Leo! When I was twelve, I had a bit part in a musical play which was written by my teacher at the time-- a bearded gentleman who played the guitar-- all about ecological apocalypse. I was one of many hideous zombie-like creatures whose skin had been burned away by the hole in the ozone layer. I can't remember this prediction causing me much distress. I was sure we were all going to die of AIDS, nuclear war, or some other catastrophe before that. This was 1989. |
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Post by cato on Mar 29, 2019 13:17:46 GMT
I forgot to mention the Taoiseach's recent lecture to the American vice President on the subject of homosexuality on his visit to Washington for St Patrick's day.
A few years ago you would have been laughed at if anyone had said a gay GP would be Taoiseach and would be advocating homosexuality as an Irish foreign policy priority! Mr Varadkar claims to be a catholic. Mr Pence is a former catholic now an evangelical Christian. He is not permitted to hold to biblical sexual morality but must be converted to modern sexual libertarianism.
It is also the hight of bad manners to accept someone's hospitality and then abuse it by insulting their beliefs.
On the same trip Mr Varadkar also turned his nose up at Conor Mc Gregor when it emerged he was also marching in the St Patrick's day parade. He said he would not want to be associated with some of the things Conor Mc Gregor did in the past. It probably didn't dawn on our posh Taoiseach that Conor Mc Gregor could say the same about Varadkars record of broken promises and trite superficiality.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 29, 2019 13:25:22 GMT
Has Varadkar ever actually said he is Catholic? I went looking for that information once but couldn't find it. Do you remember where you saw it?
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Post by cato on Mar 29, 2019 13:48:51 GMT
Has Varadkar ever actually said he is Catholic? I went looking for that information once but couldn't find it. Do you remember where you saw it? It's a good question. I originally presumed he was Hindu but our good friends in the media have never highlighted this , as they would have as proof Ireland is now wonderfully post catholic. I 'll do a little research. I saw Simon Harris go to a funeral mass on RTE yesterday. I wonder does he present himself for communion given his pro abortion fanaticism ? |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 29, 2019 13:52:02 GMT
Has Varadkar ever actually said he is Catholic? I went looking for that information once but couldn't find it. Do you remember where you saw it? It's a good question. I originally presumed he was Hindu but our good friends in the media have never highlighted this , as they would have as proof Ireland is now wonderfully post catholic. I 'll do a little research. I saw Simon Harris go to a funeral mass on RTE yesterday. I wonder does he present himself for communion given his pro abortion fanaticism ? I'd be very surprised if he didn't. I remember, at my wedding, my brother (who was best man), and is not a believer, told me rather sheepishly that we would not be able to receive Communion in good conscience. I told him he was doing the right thing and it was much more respectful than taking Communion when you don't believe-- eating and drinking your own destruction, as St. Paul tell us. How many of the self-declared Catholic politicians actually believe in the Real Presence? (Ironically, if they don't, that might give them less culpability for profaning it.) |
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