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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 13, 2017 21:30:43 GMT
There is no more correlation between being Muslim and jihadism than there is between Irish Catholics and the Provisional IRA. I don't agree with this. As I understand it, and I believe it is right, jihad is a requirement of Islam. If St. Patrick had been a Provo, your analogy would be correct. Islam is a religion rooted in violent conquest. Irish Catholicism has no such organic link to terrorism. What do you suggest to stop us from going the same way as the UK, France and Germany?
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Post by Young Ireland on Jun 13, 2017 21:34:24 GMT
I don't think the IRA campaign at its worst was anything comparable to the international jihad we see now. I don't think analogy is a fair one. But I do believe in a sovereign nation's control over its borders so I would accept their decision (with much annoyance, no doubt). You are talking about applying rather gentlemanly principles to an ideological force which has no such qualms. Fighting fire with fire is not Catholic teaching. The proposals in this thread will only alienate the Muslims that are here now and draw them into the hands of the jihadists, which I am sure that nobody wants and so is totally counter-productive.
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Post by Young Ireland on Jun 13, 2017 21:38:36 GMT
I don't agree with this. As I understand it, and I believe it is right, jihad is a requirement of Islam. If St. Patrick had been a Provo, your analogy would be correct. Islam is a religion rooted in violent conquest. Irish Catholicism has no such organic link to terrorism. What do you suggest to stop us from going the same way as the UK, France and Germany? Well, certainly not reducing Muslims to the status of second-class citizens. I feel we are going around in circles so I think that I will leave this board and I will put up a parting post shortly before I end up losing my temper.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 13, 2017 21:39:13 GMT
I think that horse has already bolted. I think Islam has contempt for Western tolerance.
Besides, I would restrict ALL mass immigration, as I've often said, so the Muslim dimension is not that relevant. But the Muslim problem is another good reason to do this.
I'm not anti-Muslim. I'm just pragmatic.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 13, 2017 21:41:17 GMT
Well, that's a shame, as I hoped to have a range of opinions, and I respect you personally.
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Post by Thomas O Shea on Oct 27, 2021 22:24:49 GMT
Why is every comment given under a pseudonym? Is it now too dangerous to declare one's real name?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 27, 2021 22:38:03 GMT
Why is every comment given under a pseudonym? Is it now too dangerous to declare one's real name? Maolsheachlann is my real name! People have different reasons for choosing pseudonimity. I have a relatively secure public sector job, others have to be more cautious. Or perhaps they would just rather not have their names on the Internet.
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Post by Séamus on Oct 28, 2021 4:25:40 GMT
Why is every comment given under a pseudonym? Is it now too dangerous to declare one's real name? Maolsheachlann is my real name! People have different reasons for choosing pseudonimity. I have a relatively secure public sector job, others have to be more cautious. Or perhaps they would just rather not have their names on the Internet. I've seen several situations where somebody running for public office has had each and every tweet and post scrutinized until something turns up which is perceived to be racist, misogynist,anti-muslim,climate-change-sceptical,..whatever;so it's absolutely understandable. The recent case of Quinton deKock who has found that he has to forgo playing in the South African cricket at the current T2O World Cup because he refused to make any gesture in support of BlackLivesMatter shows how little it takes to get blacklisted. Not denying that it was the other extreme only a couple of generations ago- Peter Norman was treated unfairly by the Australian Olympic bodies in the 1960s for supporting a fledgling movement,different because the situation then was different, but not unlike the one that Mr deKock has very good reasons, whatever his reasons are, to now feel objective towards.
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Post by Stephen on Oct 28, 2021 8:24:52 GMT
Why is every comment given under a pseudonym? Is it now too dangerous to declare one's real name? Maolsheachlann is my real name! People have different reasons for choosing pseudonimity. I have a relatively secure public sector job, others have to be more cautious. Or perhaps they would just rather not have their names on the Internet. Stephen is my real name I agree with Maolsheachlanns comments
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Post by cato on Oct 28, 2021 10:11:38 GMT
I use a pseudonym here but I have no doubt Big Brother knows what kind of marmalade I had on my toast this morning.
Putting a name and photo up doesn't guarantee anyone's real identity either as someone pointed out to me recently. I am a very ordinary citizen and post opinions that a decade or so ago would be pretty uncontroversial but are now seen as extreme by some.
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Post by kj on Oct 28, 2021 10:47:17 GMT
I am a very ordinary citizen and post opinions that a decade or so ago would be pretty uncontroversial but are now seen as extreme by some. Speaking of "extremism", I was talking yesterday with a die-hard Liberal friend who works in a Terrorism studies department. The topic of the Latin Mass revival in Cork came up. My friend was shocked by it, and said he was going to tell some of his colleagues in the hope they would "investigate". He was entirely serious. I told him not to, and he seemed to back down. Absolutely crazy. This is the mentality you're dealing with.
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Post by cato on Oct 28, 2021 11:10:12 GMT
I am a very ordinary citizen and post opinions that a decade or so ago would be pretty uncontroversial but are now seen as extreme by some. Speaking of "extremism", I was talking yesterday with a die-hard Liberal friend who works in a Terrorism studies department. The topic of the Latin Mass revival in Cork came up. My friend was shocked by it, and said he was going to tell some of his colleagues in the hope they would "investigate". He was entirely serious. I told him not to, and he seemed to back down. Absolutely crazy. This is the mentality you're dealing with. A generation or so ago progressive types were all in favour of separation of church and state , which works both ways . The state should not be in involved in interfering with ecclesiastical matters like doctrine and worship. Unfortunately I believe clergy have also muddied the water by receiving state funds which comprises them. Examples include the PUP payments during Covid and state funding of Trocaire. I wonder if Trocaire is required to provide "reproductive rights" in Africa will the church roll over? The idea of investigating the Latin Mass under the guise of terrorism is outrageous but not altogether surprising.
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Post by Stephen on Oct 28, 2021 11:54:37 GMT
Speaking of "extremism", I was talking yesterday with a die-hard Liberal friend who works in a Terrorism studies department. The topic of the Latin Mass revival in Cork came up. My friend was shocked by it, and said he was going to tell some of his colleagues in the hope they would "investigate". He was entirely serious. I told him not to, and he seemed to back down. Absolutely crazy. This is the mentality you're dealing with. A generation or so ago progressive types were all in favour of separation of church and state , which works both ways . The state should not be in involved in interfering with ecclesiastical matters like doctrine and worship. Unfortunately I believe clergy have also muddied the water by receiving state funds which comprises them. Examples include the PUP payments during Covid and state funding of Trocaire. I wonder if Trocaire is required to provide "reproductive rights" in Africa will the church roll over? The idea of investigating the Latin Mass under the guise of terrorism is outrageous but not altogether surprising. I'm interested to here more about you and your "friends" conversation. where they going to investigate the Latin Mass under the guise of terrorism or maybe something else?
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 5, 2021 8:21:18 GMT
I am a very ordinary citizen and post opinions that a decade or so ago would be pretty uncontroversial but are now seen as extreme by some. Speaking of "extremism", I was talking yesterday with a die-hard Liberal friend who works in a Terrorism studies department. The topic of the Latin Mass revival in Cork came up. My friend was shocked by it, and said he was going to tell some of his colleagues in the hope they would "investigate". He was entirely serious. I told him not to, and he seemed to back down. Absolutely crazy. This is the mentality you're dealing with. I'm also interested.
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Post by Tomas on Nov 5, 2021 15:49:18 GMT
A generation or so ago progressive types were all in favour of separation of church and state , which works both ways . The state should not be in involved in interfering with ecclesiastical matters like doctrine and worship. Unfortunately I believe clergy have also muddied the water by receiving state funds which comprises them. Examples include the PUP payments during Covid and state funding of Trocaire. I wonder if Trocaire is required to provide "reproductive rights" in Africa will the church roll over? The idea of investigating the Latin Mass under the guise of terrorism is outrageous but not altogether surprising. I'm interested to here more about you and your "friends" conversation. where they going to investigate the Latin Mass under the guise of terrorism or maybe something else? Today I went to my hairdresser, a Muslim acquaintance, talking while scissor clipped. In connexion to a link read online also today, a "conspiracy piece" from the US speculating on coordination in biological warfare as the unknown game behind the scenes of total vaccination, there was this reflection to be made: a) the hairdresser, a kind and absolutely nice person in general, Muslim due to her upbringing, had taken the vaccinations here because it was easiest in relation to customers (and most in the private circle) but were not entirely convinced by the propaganda done for it on this incredible scale, b) the speculation on the plans of biological warfare had some strong warnings that the explanation to the monstrosity of the whole campaign might lie in direction of actual NWO plans to unmake traditional religions, making the opposed adherents to religion (both Catholic and Muslim main targets supposedly) constantly weakend or permanently demobilised by sending out bioweapon vapors etc over whole targeted cities and so on, and that the vaccines element were some rather sublime preparatory part of that weaponry... it may sound just crazy, but then so does the machinations from the weird powers that has been taken over. a + b, nota bene only an unimportant meandering, then could be = if people submit "by free choice" or get forced into droning states of mind wouldn´t matter, or not matter much, as long as the result is the same: nothing (or: compliance, and nothing more). If this is only silly fears on sci-fi green aliens level that´s fine. If it´s something in it, misled management and amoral slavery will both expand and remain few years ahead. Having no clue of anything I still read about more or less "anything" that passes by these days. Too much information gets drowned along desinformation now anyhow, anytime.
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