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Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2020 8:03:15 GMT
I think the first mistake people make is looking at politicised speeches made by the Vatican and believing they are infallible! Many of these can be very fluffy, Liberal, opinionated and in some cases break with Tradition. I think the interested reader would be better reading the encyclicals and councils of the Church (Not just the last 60 years and remember Vatican 2 pastoral). Some examples Rerum Novarum, Leo XIII 1891 Providentissimus Deus, Leo XIII 1893 Pascendi Dominici Gregis, Pius X 1907 Casti Connubii, Pius XI 1930: Next question I pose is why the statement "Ireland for the Irish" would not align with Catholicism? All Charity starts at the Home. The Irish Nation is a large extended Family and should be protected first. The King (Taoiseach) and leadership should act like fathers of the Nation. How the Duties of a Father can be used for a Leader. The first duty of a leader towards their subjects is to love and protect them from harm. The leader who is idle so that his country is left without fitting maintenance is guilty of grievous sin. Leaders must see that their subjects obtain sound education. They are bound with special emphasis to watch over the spiritual welfare of their subjects, to afford them good example, and to correct the erring. Love to hear other peoples opinions on my above musings? The multiplicity of recorded papal statements,documents,sermons,interviews etc, in modern times would make complete and total Divine inspiration rather impossible, but I think it would be just as impossible to disregard all postVaticanII documents as uninspired; that would leave questions over even HumanæVitæ and VeritatisSplendor. Obviously, when it comes to immigration and other social or political teachings, however, the goal posts can change rapidly, very rapidly these days, even if the thrust of the teaching didn't. Even Christ hinted at this during his discourse on divorce. I think this conversation might veering of abit from the original conversation. I would suggest 99.9% post Vatican II encyclicals are in line with Tradition and should be regarded as magisterial. Admirable documents that Humanæ Vitæ and Veritatis Splendor are, they can be found in the pre Vatican II encyclicals and saintly writings. Im interested in how people define being Irish or if a person can join the Nation of Ireland? Is Ireland for the Irish? |
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Post by cato on Feb 18, 2020 10:04:03 GMT
Traditionally on paper it was hard to become Irish. Apart from being born here you needed to be Christian ( being ecumenical here) , Nationalist, in favour of Irish unification and willing to learn or speak Irish . It wasn't always necessary to be here for generations - look at Padraic Pearse, Cathal Brugha and James Connolly. However someone like the archrepublican Erskine Childers executed by the Free state could be denounced by Arthur Griffith as that "Damn Englishman" too despite being more Republican than Griffith.
One major change is that Irish people were outgoing heading abroad . This is still true to a certain extent but we are now also attracting immigration like the USA, UK New Zealand etc. There is a new version of Irishness existing alongside the older type which has become vastly deluted over recent decades. The list of Irish characteristics nowadays is much vaguer and general. Even for the Irish born being Irish is no longer as demanding.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 18, 2020 10:28:39 GMT
There is a new version of Irishness existing alongside the older type which has become vastly deluted over recent decades. The list of Irish characteristics nowadays is much vaguer and general. Even for the Irish born being Irish is no longer as demanding. So much so that I am thinking of calling myself Gaelic rather than Irish. Or perhaps Gaelic-Irish. If it's OK to be Polish-Irish, Chinese-Irish, etc., then why not Gaelic-Irish? Anyway, my meaningful ethnic identity is Gaelic. And, as for Stephen's question (as applies to this approach), my answer would be "Yes". Anyone can identify with the Gaelic tradition if they want to, whatever their background or origin. |
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