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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 29, 2017 12:09:38 GMT
I'm often frustrated by the assumption that liberalism is for idealistic, romantic people and conservatism is for cynical or at least pragmatic people.
Of course there is an element of truth to this, in that conservatives are often realistic on matters on which liberals/progressives/socialists are naive.
But I definitely consider myself a galloping romantic and my worldview is in harmony with that.
I believe in tradition, particularity, distinctiveness, chivalry, fidelity, loyalty...because I'm a romantic.
Of course, I'm something of a paleocon. This would be less true of other strands of conservatism.
I don't find anything romantic about a world of easily dissolvable bonds and identity-- a world where nothing endures, every generation rejects the generation before it, nothing is special because everything has to be equal and non-discriminatory....
What do other people think?
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 29, 2017 13:17:10 GMT
This is a vast subject. Yes, for some reason the stereotype of the windswept Leftist revolutionary endures. We even have a popular restaurant with the same name as a Chinese mass murderer, with no regard whatsoever to the millions who suffered under his tyranny. Can you imagine a restauarant named Hitler?
I am, and always have been, both a contrarian and a romantic. The only thing I will add at the moment is in regard to "Romanticism" itself. It's quite interest to reflect on the intellectual odysseys of men like Coleridge and Wordsworth, who started out as fervent Leftists but finished their lives as conservative intellectuals and trinitarians.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 29, 2017 13:26:41 GMT
I am, and always have been, both a contrarian and a romantic. Me too!  |
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Post by cato on Jun 30, 2017 21:44:43 GMT
I saw a beautiful girl last week with a Soviet style USSR teeshirt with a hammer and sickle logo. I found myself trying to understand her dress choice . Was she stupid or an apologist for the ideology which has caused tens of millions of deaths? I Suspect she liked the colours and was probably ignorant as to the historical brutal reality of marxist tyranny. I wonder would I have given her the benefit of the doubt had she been wearing a nice crooked cross colored red white and black number?
The liberal left having won the culture war has given the hard left's bloody activities absolution as something vaguely regretable but motivated by all the highest and purest of motives. In contrast all conservatives are heartless brutes who want to bring back public hanging, boy chimney sweeps and dark cold privitised workhouses. Are conservatives really members of the human race at all?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 30, 2017 21:49:10 GMT
In contrast all conservatives are heartless brutes who want to bring back public hanging, boy chimney sweeps and dark cold privitised workhouses. I thought that was just me. |
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Post by cato on Jul 2, 2017 11:17:47 GMT
I was startled many years ago when I was ranting about something or other , and someone smiled and said I was a romantic. I was a bit dumfounded and didn t know if it was a subtle put down or a compliment.
Recently I had a discussion with two foreign work mates on the 8th ammendment.I was surprised to hear that my views according to them were too idealistic and the world was too messy and complicated for a pro life culture. The conversation was quite civilised and I told them I couldn't imagine two Irish pro choice advocates willing to concede good faith and indeed idealism to their opponents.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 3, 2017 8:01:24 GMT
What do other people think? I would say I am slowly transforming into a conservative that is cynical and pragmatic. That being said I am still idealistic, It's hard not to be positive if you trust in Christ and his Holy Church. I also believe in tradition, beauty, distinctiveness, chivalry, fidelity, loyalty. But I would never call myself a romantic. "I don't find anything romantic about a world of easily dissolvable bonds and identity-- the world where nothing endures, every generation rejects the generation before it, nothing is special because everything has to be equal and non-discriminatory." This is so true and is why I reject the modern world. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 3, 2017 8:11:54 GMT
I like some things about modernity-- like the cinema, and the internet, and heart surgery.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 3, 2017 8:20:44 GMT
I like some things about modernity-- like the cinema, and the internet, and heart surgery. I also like the advances in Healthcare. I wonder if the cinema, the internet and other modern inventions are good for me. |
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 3, 2017 16:09:11 GMT
Recently I had a discussion with two foreign work mates on the 8th ammendment.I was surprised to hear that my views according to them were too idealistic and the world was too messy and complicated for a pro life culture. The conversation was quite civilised and I told them I couldn't imagine two Irish pro choice advocates willing to concede good faith and indeed idealism to their opponents. Roger Scruton on politics: 'Leftwing people find it very hard to get on with rightwing people, because they believe that they are evil. Whereas I have no problem getting on with leftwing people, because I simply believe that they are mistaken.' |
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