Post by Tomas on Nov 27, 2021 18:00:42 GMT
Celebration by Jews to the memory of the Machabees rising against sin and tyranny, this year beginning along with Advent, 28 Nov-5 Dec, have lead to some thoughts on ”Liberal” versus ”Conservative” in connexion to religion.
Liberal, Conservative so often appear malplaced in their Catholic version. Isn´t the etymological meaning for the word Catholic of ”embracing all” more appropriate within Church tensions? And what about ”Orthodox” in Catholic terms?
The Jews of today, and for least some two centuries or so, are labeling their denominational variety in these three – Reform, Conservative, Orthodox – but they must have argued about how well it fits their ”parishioners” as well? If anyone here knows about Jewish views on ”Conservative” it would be much appreciated to learn from what is said in regard to definitions. (The celebrations of the legendary men who fought for their lives may be mostly more "Liberal" than anyhting else these days, more like the secular version of Christmas for comparison?)
Even in politics it may be troublesome to use these labels as frequent and nonsensical as nowadays, but it looks somehow better fit for such use.
In Irish Catholic setting, my first sketch on this would be something like this:
Liberal (Reform) – the Sinn Fein people, extreme, radical, militant, opportunist, changing views like permanent according to power effect, sometimes using their Church affiliation most of all like a badge, open to ”new” ideas when it can yield a stronger power base, never satisifed with material means, working class modernists, searching for a militant Christ (?) for those that get politically labeled supressed, also in this category many mainstream or lax FG & FF voters following the streamlined times of globalist design.
Conservative – the cultured, pious, insular, Irish-speaking, literary, intellectual, analytical, trying to remain ”traditional” in Church practice, loving the Church of all ages and defending Her doctrine even in public when necessary, looking backward as often as forward, realistic but often a bit pessimistic as well.
Orthodox – the saints for real, priests and religious and some rare laymen hardliners (?) ready to die for the Faith if confronted against tyrants and opressors but otherwise mainly more or less secluded and waiting for better times.
I suppose this is not too accurate and far too much made up of templates. But apart from that, the only tangible things that make them differ tends to be related to politics. So what about the ”labels” within Church? Or within society, apart from the political sphere?
Could it be time to reconsider the use of these terms again, even consider to drop them from religious-sociological dictionary, or should they be kept and perhaps better defined?
Liberal, Conservative so often appear malplaced in their Catholic version. Isn´t the etymological meaning for the word Catholic of ”embracing all” more appropriate within Church tensions? And what about ”Orthodox” in Catholic terms?
The Jews of today, and for least some two centuries or so, are labeling their denominational variety in these three – Reform, Conservative, Orthodox – but they must have argued about how well it fits their ”parishioners” as well? If anyone here knows about Jewish views on ”Conservative” it would be much appreciated to learn from what is said in regard to definitions. (The celebrations of the legendary men who fought for their lives may be mostly more "Liberal" than anyhting else these days, more like the secular version of Christmas for comparison?)
Even in politics it may be troublesome to use these labels as frequent and nonsensical as nowadays, but it looks somehow better fit for such use.
In Irish Catholic setting, my first sketch on this would be something like this:
Liberal (Reform) – the Sinn Fein people, extreme, radical, militant, opportunist, changing views like permanent according to power effect, sometimes using their Church affiliation most of all like a badge, open to ”new” ideas when it can yield a stronger power base, never satisifed with material means, working class modernists, searching for a militant Christ (?) for those that get politically labeled supressed, also in this category many mainstream or lax FG & FF voters following the streamlined times of globalist design.
Conservative – the cultured, pious, insular, Irish-speaking, literary, intellectual, analytical, trying to remain ”traditional” in Church practice, loving the Church of all ages and defending Her doctrine even in public when necessary, looking backward as often as forward, realistic but often a bit pessimistic as well.
Orthodox – the saints for real, priests and religious and some rare laymen hardliners (?) ready to die for the Faith if confronted against tyrants and opressors but otherwise mainly more or less secluded and waiting for better times.
I suppose this is not too accurate and far too much made up of templates. But apart from that, the only tangible things that make them differ tends to be related to politics. So what about the ”labels” within Church? Or within society, apart from the political sphere?
Could it be time to reconsider the use of these terms again, even consider to drop them from religious-sociological dictionary, or should they be kept and perhaps better defined?