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Post by kj on Dec 17, 2021 16:12:35 GMT
I haven't been home to Ireland in 3 years now and always become very nostalgic at this time of year.
A question for those resident at home: are there any signs of hope for the country, or are we still on the slide into an ever more vapid, materialistic, anti-religious and anti-national place?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 17, 2021 16:57:29 GMT
Just a quick reply because I'm heading out the door...I don't see any hope on the immediate horizon. I just see things getting worse.
I have plenty of hope in the long term, but very little in the short term. I think your last sentence sums it up.
I don't even find much hope in the populist right, which seem determined to be nothing but a mirror-image of the progressive left-- especially in the tiresome preoccupation with race which they both share.
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Post by kj on Dec 17, 2021 17:41:44 GMT
Thanks for that, Maolsheachlann.
I'm curious about your longer-term hope. Do you mean that future generations will get so sick of the emptiness they will rediscover their traditions?
As I said, my reading tends to become Ireland-based this time of year because of nostalgia and I end up reading about various eras of pre-20th century Ireland, but then I think "what's the point?" given the current state of the nation and the seeming desire of the vast majority to become nothing but consumerists.
A part of me is almost tempted to put aside any national hopes whatsoever and focus solely on my religious ones.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 17, 2021 19:00:06 GMT
Thanks for that, Maolsheachlann. I'm curious about your longer-term hope. Do you mean that future generations will get so sick of the emptiness they will rediscover their traditions? As I said, my reading tends to become Ireland-based this time of year because of nostalgia and I end up reading about various eras of pre-20th century Ireland, but then I think "what's the point?" given the current state of the nation and the seeming desire of the vast majority to become nothing but consumerists. A part of me is almost tempted to put aside any national hopes whatsoever and focus solely on my religious ones. Yes, I think nihilism is unsustainable. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 17, 2021 19:05:12 GMT
I've felt the same inclination at times-- to give up on national ideals and concentrate on the Eternal-- but I can never stick to it.
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Post by Séamus on Dec 18, 2021 4:59:17 GMT
Thanks for that, Maolsheachlann. I'm curious about your longer-term hope. Do you mean that future generations will get so sick of the emptiness they will rediscover their traditions? As I said, my reading tends to become Ireland-based this time of year because of nostalgia and I end up reading about various eras of pre-20th century Ireland, but then I think "what's the point?" given the current state of the nation and the seeming desire of the vast majority to become nothing but consumerists. A part of me is almost tempted to put aside any national hopes whatsoever and focus solely on my religious ones. I'd imagine there's always a point reading about the past, not necessarily a matter of replicating it. |
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Post by rogerbuck on Dec 24, 2021 23:53:38 GMT
Shreds of hope I have . . .
The resilience of the Irish that you mentioned in another post, Mal, quite movingly. I still feel something in this people that I have felt nowhere else, though it is probably best appreciated in rural areas.
Many of the younger generation of priests. I see great beauty there.
ICKSP in Ireland. My respect for them only goes up.
I take the recent actions of the Vatican as a perverse sign of hope. I think there is a realisation that the old liturgy does foster a very different spirit to the new and that explains a great deal that is coming from the Vatican.
It will not win.
Even if my recent videos have highlighted a certain (often if not always rather American) "Traditionalist Groupthink", Traditionalism remains my greatest hope. Even if it inevitably becomes distorted in many quarters.
But I am deeply moved by other non-Traditionalist groups too - eg the sincere pious people in The Legion of Mary.
Others too.
I trust in Angels and Saints working for Ireland.
I once had a dream where a long, beautiful set of verses was recited.
I only recall the last.
It went something like this: "And to this humble people, I shall return."
I woke thinking: This is a dream of St. Patrick.
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Post by Tomas on Jan 4, 2023 14:19:27 GMT
There is hope for Ireland. There must be. Otherwise the world would be annihilated already.
One hope for Irish Conservatives Forum especially, which would be indicating when culture changes onwards again: if - or rather when - this section Conservatism and Irishness or some of the other, Culture or Religion, runs up and by the long time leading secular hare, Politics and Current Affairs. To have Politics so much in the current is sure to be symptomatic. Not that it is anyone individual fault to be blamed for.
How long it will take for cultural, religious, social realities to bring back life and prosper is hard to guess. That it will come eventually is a good bet all the same I think.
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Post by Séamus on Jan 7, 2023 11:29:55 GMT
There is hope for Ireland. There must be. Otherwise the world would be annihilated already. ..etc.... Strong words. I read about a place in Umbria in today's newspaper that I hadn't heard of before.... "Pozzo di San Patrizio (St Patrick's Well). This 16th century masterpiece of hydraulic engineering was commissioned by Pope Clement VII to ensure Orvieto had a sufficient water supply in the case of a siege. The well is about 60m deep and staircases spiral beside it with 72 windows looking on to a shaft of a structure that looks perfect to feature in a screen adaptation of that yet-to-be-written thriller I was thinking about"(Steve McKenna) Apparently it is indeed named after St Patrick-St Patrick due to the saint's vision of purgatory at Lough Derg. An interesting example of how universally well-known the site was in pre-Reformation times,even in northern Italy amidst the absolute splendor and glory of early Renaissance Catholicism. |
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