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Post by Séamus on Jan 22, 2022 3:06:29 GMT
Not a proposal one would expect a government to even consider these days. Being a "women's day" makes it more acceptable of course, but in today's world they could have easily passed St Brigid over by proclaiming Maedhbh's Birthday or Gráinne's Anniversary-of-Death or (heaven forbid) Mary Robinson's Date-of-Presidential-Election without too many eyelids batting.
A travel column that I read last week highlighted the feast of St Anthony of Egypt as celebrated in Catalonia. As the traditional blessings of beasts of burden had become largely irrelevant these days, clergy have taken to blessing processions of tractors and harvesters.
I'm not sure what the religious observation of Catalonia is like,maybe Ireland is catching up with Europe in more than numbers of holidays- Christian traditions have somehow managed a popularity in the face of European secularism and anti-clericalism for a long time now.
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Post by 2020vision on Jan 28, 2022 0:03:47 GMT
I think it depends St Brigids Day is still seen as a religious day with Saint Brigids crosses excetra making it a holiday to celebrates "brigids day" the so called triple pagan goddess first Irish abortionist and lesbian in the new feminist mythos of Modern Ireland is a terrible idea and what they are pushing for its being taught in schools and being promoted by RTE
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Post by 2020vision on Jan 28, 2022 0:06:49 GMT
The reason they are using another pagan goddess is that they only subvert they don't create and the will stand on the grave of Saint Brigid as they did with Ashling Murphy to scream for abortion and criticise the Catholic Church
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 28, 2022 2:35:21 GMT
Not a proposal one would expect a government to even consider these days. Being a "women's day" makes it more acceptable of course, but in today's world they could have easily passed St Brigid over by proclaiming Maedhbh's Birthday or Gráinne's Anniversary-of-Death or (heaven forbid) Mary Robinson's Date-of-Presidential-Election without too many eyelids batting. A travel column that I read last week highlighted the feast of St Anthony of Egypt as celebrated in Catalonia. As the traditional blessings of beasts of burden had become largely irrelevant these days, clergy have taken to blessing processions of tractors and harvesters. I'm not sure what the religious observation of Catalonia is like,maybe Ireland is catching up with Europe in more than numbers of holidays- Christian traditions have somehow managed a popularity in the face of European secularism and anti-clericalism for a long time now. Continental Europeans seem much more relaxed than the Irish about celebrating their Christian heritage. But it doesn't seem to translate into church attendance or making any difference to their way of life. I don't put any great stock in it. But then I am profoundly Eurosceptic in every way... |
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Post by Antaine on Feb 1, 2022 19:54:18 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda. I've heard people talk about how "Ireland's only female patron" (we only have 3 or 4 anyway?) can mean "different things to different people, groups," etc. And indeed, they will bastardise her memory by turning it into a cult-of-female, like - as mentioned above - they did with Aisling Murphy ( and Sarah Everard, etc.) The day of St Brigid will be symbolic of "Brigid the woman" who represents something or another about all Irish women.
Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement.
In regards to Brigid the abortionist, everything about this story is so utterly dense, it's a wonder it survived so long except for vile people perhaps trying to justify murdering their own children. The idea, if I remember correctly, is that a nun gets pregnant and is so sad about it because she'll be embarrassed, that Brigid decides to show her mercy by undoing the child's very existence. Even ignoring the obviously vile notion that Brigid just casually undoes the life of an unborn child, the idea that she would do so because a religious sister broke her vows and would suffer humiliation for it is utterly reprehensible and anti-Christian to its core.
Christianity is a religion that puts a heavy emphasis on humbling yourself, so how is it that Brigid destroys an innocent life just so the selfish mother can save face? This is the kind of folk-story that only the mind of the utter dregs of society could dare conceive.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 1, 2022 20:57:57 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda. I've heard people talk about how "Ireland's only female patron" (we only have 3 or 4 anyway?) can mean "different things to different people, groups," etc. And indeed, they will bastardise her memory by turning it into a cult-of-female, like - as mentioned above - they did with Aisling Murphy ( and Sarah Everard, etc.) The day of St Brigid will be symbolic of "Brigid the woman" who represents something or another about all Irish women. Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement. In regards to Brigid the abortionist, everything about this story is so utterly dense, it's a wonder it survived so long except for vile people perhaps trying to justify murdering their own children. The idea, if I remember correctly, is that a nun gets pregnant and is so sad about it because she'll be embarrassed, that Brigid decides to show her mercy by undoing the child's very existence. Even ignoring the obviously vile notion that Brigid just casually undoes the life of an unborn child, the idea that she would do so because a religious sister broke her vows and would suffer humiliation for it is utterly reprehensible and anti-Christian to its core. Christianity is a religion that puts a heavy emphasis on humbling yourself, so how is it that Brigid destroys an innocent life just so the selfish mother can save face? This is the kind of folk-story that only the mind of the utter dregs of society could dare conceive. St. Patrick's stated reluctance to suck the breasts of his fellow voyagers doesn't sound very gay to me. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 1, 2022 21:06:07 GMT
Of course, every March we have to hear how St. Patrick was an immigrant.
He was also a slave and would never have come to Ireland if he hadn't been enslaved. But you don't hear people making that an argument for slavery.
Seriously, I'm glad St. Brigid is being given a bank holiday. Celebrating women's achievements isn't a bad thing in itself, either.
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Post by cato on Feb 2, 2022 0:02:54 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda. I've heard people talk about how "Ireland's only female patron" (we only have 3 or 4 anyway?) can mean "different things to different people, groups," etc. And indeed, they will bastardise her memory by turning it into a cult-of-female, like - as mentioned above - they did with Aisling Murphy ( and Sarah Everard, etc.) The day of St Brigid will be symbolic of "Brigid the woman" who represents something or another about all Irish women. Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement. In regards to Brigid the abortionist, everything about this story is so utterly dense, it's a wonder it survived so long except for vile people perhaps trying to justify murdering their own children. The idea, if I remember correctly, is that a nun gets pregnant and is so sad about it because she'll be embarrassed, that Brigid decides to show her mercy by undoing the child's very existence. Even ignoring the obviously vile notion that Brigid just casually undoes the life of an unborn child, the idea that she would do so because a religious sister broke her vows and would suffer humiliation for it is utterly reprehensible and anti-Christian to its core. Christianity is a religion that puts a heavy emphasis on humbling yourself, so how is it that Brigid destroys an innocent life just so the selfish mother can save face? This is the kind of folk-story that only the mind of the utter dregs of society could dare conceive. Antaine what is the source of the St Patrick tale you refer to above? I have never heard of it and I am a bit of an anorak about Early Christian Irish saints. The Brigid tale is a curious one. Early Irish hagiography is not history. The various texts can be historically useful but need interpretation. Much of the Patrician Hagiography is utterly repellent viewing Patrick as a bad tempered individual who cursed and destroyed his enemies so they often aren't meant to inspire us to imitate him either. They aren't moral or doctrinal texts but propaganda works pushing a particular church community. Honour and status was a huge issue in Irish society. The "abortion" tale was I think about the miraculous restoration of the honour of a fallen virgin, there are accounts of how fallen nuns and clergy had sexual sins forgiven and were "restored" again to the crown of virginity. The Early Irish Church (St Finnians penitential) condemned abortion as sinful with a penance of six months on bread and water for the mother. If she gave birth out of wedlock she was sentenced to six years similar penance! |
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Post by Séamus on Feb 2, 2022 2:13:11 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda. I've heard people talk about how "Ireland's only female patron" (we only have 3 or 4 anyway?) can mean "different things to different people, groups," etc. And indeed, they will bastardise her memory by turning it into a cult-of-female, like - as mentioned above - they did with Aisling Murphy ( and Sarah Everard, etc.) The day of St Brigid will be symbolic of "Brigid the woman" who represents something or another about all Irish women. Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement. In regards to Brigid the abortionist, everything about this story is so utterly dense, it's a wonder it survived so long except for vile people perhaps trying to justify murdering their own children. The idea, if I remember correctly, is that a nun gets pregnant and is so sad about it because she'll be embarrassed, that Brigid decides to show her mercy by undoing the child's very existence. Even ignoring the obviously vile notion that Brigid just casually undoes the life of an unborn child, the idea that she would do so because a religious sister broke her vows and would suffer humiliation for it is utterly reprehensible and anti-Christian to its core. Christianity is a religion that puts a heavy emphasis on humbling yourself, so how is it that Brigid destroys an innocent life just so the selfish mother can save face? This is the kind of folk-story that only the mind of the utter dregs of society could dare conceive. St. Patrick's stated reluctance to suck the breasts of his fellow voyagers doesn't sound very gay to me. Heavy stuff, that. |
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Post by 2020vision on Feb 2, 2022 4:57:50 GMT
Leo Varadkar said happy Imolic/ St Brigids day and then went on about the winters solace apparently Imolac is a pagan festival
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Post by cato on Feb 2, 2022 14:52:29 GMT
Leo Varadkar said happy Imolic/ St Brigids day and then went on about the winters solace apparently Imolac is a pagan festival Yes he's right. They are linked. Christians regularly took over the feasts and sites of the previous pagans if they could adapt them to the new faith. It's a reason why Christianity was so successful. Pagan devotion to rivers and pools could be linked to baptism and so we end up with holy Wells. The celtic devotion to the number 3 tied in with Christian devotion to the trinity etc. I think the Venerable Bede discussed this pastoral strategy in his Ecclesiastical History as being promoted by Pope Gregory the Great, if memory serves me right. |
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Post by Antaine on Feb 3, 2022 21:45:53 GMT
Maolsheachlann, I agree. In this day and age of rabid feminism, it's very easy to become "anti-woman" in a sense, just to be spiteful. But I am actually a huge admirer of women, and I don't mean that in a pervy or charming-rogue sort of way. Good women are as fascinating and inspirational to me as good men. And well pointed out about the nipple story.
Cato, the story was on some website by a homosexual man. Maybe the story was made up entirely? It's been a while now since I read it.
I should say, I am not against the day being referred to by both it's Christian and Pagan name. I am however concerned at what they might try to do to St Brigid though.
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Post by Séamus on Feb 4, 2022 5:55:27 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda.....etc... Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement....etc.... If you read Undset's Kristin Lavransdatter you'll notice many references to people sleeping in communal beds, including underage people with unrelated adults Simon,perhaps the most likeable character, did indeed end up marrying the girl he once nursed in bed when she later came of age, but it was all presented as being totally innocent. It even seemed possible to freely walk through most sleeping areas- and with Sigrid we're considering a well researched Middle Age history, several centuries after the Isle of Saints period, but probably closer in custom than to our time (though somehow I'm not unhappy to have a room free of teething youngsters.) |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 4, 2022 9:24:53 GMT
I think it's great St Brigid is getting honoured with a holiday, but there is indeed an obvious agenda.....etc... Also, responding to the remarks about Brigid the lesbian and abortionist, some of these degenerates tried to say the same thing about St Patrick being homosexual. It was based on some text in which a young man told his parents he wanted to go and sleep with Patrick (who he hadn't even met yet, but had heard he was approaching his area) and doesn't so much emphasise the part where the young man was previously described as sleeping with his parents , which I'm going to assume was not meant in a perverse way. Though if you understand the mindset of the LGBT community, it's not really a wonder a homosexual man would automatically assume (or convince himself) there is something inherently sexual about the statement....etc.... If you read Undset's Kristin Lavransdatter you'll notice many references to people sleeping in communal beds, including underage people with unrelated adults Simon,perhaps the most likeable character, did indeed end up marrying the girl he once nursed in bed when she later came of age, but it was all presented as being totally innocent. It even seemed possible to freely walk through most sleeping areas- and with Sigrid we're considering a well researched Middle Age history, several centuries after the Isle of Saints period, but probably closer in custom than to our time (though somehow I'm not unhappy to have a room free of teething youngsters.) I was in my teens before I got my own bed! I slept three in a bed for most of my childhood. |
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