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Post by 2020Vision on Jan 28, 2022 5:12:04 GMT
Does anybody remember the 2002 abortion referendum it really interests me but there's hardly anything about it online or even in the Patriots book which documents the history of the pro life movement. Would be great to hear from anyone whether thy were an activist a voter or an observer
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 28, 2022 9:34:44 GMT
I don't remember it at all. I don't even remember voting in it.
I have noticed previously that 2002-2003 is a real "dead zone" in my memory, for some reason.
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Post by 2020vision on Jan 28, 2022 11:26:19 GMT
I don't remember it at all. I don't even remember voting in it. I have noticed previously that 2002-2003 is a real "dead zone" in my memory, for some reason. Only 42% of people voted in it so most probably won't remember it but there were and even still are pro lifers on both sides of it |
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Post by Marian Lindsay on Jan 28, 2022 13:24:40 GMT
Was that the vote on freedom to travel abroad i.w. UK (for an abortion)?
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Post by 2020vission on Jan 28, 2022 22:19:48 GMT
Was that the vote on freedom to travel abroad i.w. UK (for an abortion)? No that was in the 90s the 2002 referendum was a new amendment which defined abortion as the intentional destruction of a baby after implatation It was to inshrine the 2002 Human Life Protection act into the constitution |
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Post by 2020 vision on Jan 28, 2022 22:23:25 GMT
The intention was to exclude suicide as a reason for abortion the Catholic Bishops supported it as did Youth Defence I think? Dana opposed it as did the SPUC pro choice groups were also on the No side
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Post by 2020vision on Jan 28, 2022 22:42:47 GMT
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Post by cato on Jan 29, 2022 13:22:31 GMT
The intention was to exclude suicide as a reason for abortion the Catholic Bishops supported it as did Youth Defence I think? Dana opposed it as did the SPUC pro choice groups were also on the No side It was a major tactical error for prolifers to oppose this proposal which was the last attempt I think to restore the original protections offered by the 8th ammendment. The fact it was narrowly lost and that some pro lifers voted with the pro choice lobby didn't cause much soul searching as far as I can recall. It was the best offer available and some on the pro life side rejected it. It was idealism versus pragmatism granted but the world of politics is rarely perfect. Looking back at the broad pattern of referenda votes on the abortion issue virtually every attempt to liberalise or undermine the 8th succeeded when put to the popular vote. Perhaps the eventual Repeal vote wasn't as surprising after all especially given wider cultural shifts and virtually unanimous media support. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 29, 2022 19:56:09 GMT
The intention was to exclude suicide as a reason for abortion the Catholic Bishops supported it as did Youth Defence I think? Dana opposed it as did the SPUC pro choice groups were also on the No side It was a major tactical error for prolifers to oppose this proposal which was the last attempt I think to restore the original protections offered by the 8th ammendment. The fact it was narrowly lost and that some pro lifers voted with the pro choice lobby didn't cause much soul searching as far as I can recall. It was the best offer available and some on the pro life side rejected it. It was idealism versus pragmatism granted but the world of politics is rarely perfect. Looking back at the broad pattern of referenda votes on the abortion issue virtually every attempt to liberalise or undermine the 8th succeeded when put to the popular vote. Perhaps the eventual Repeal vote wasn't as surprising after all especially given wider cultural shifts and virtually unanimous media support. I think we see conservatives in Ireland making the same mistake when they make the perfect the enemy of the good. We are a beleaguered minority on the right and sadly it seems that many of our number want to take refuge in the politics of protest, never accepting the current reality of our situation and making grandiose plans for when a right-wing government sweeps to power. (The National Party, for instance.) In my view the task of this generation of conservatives is to keep the flame alive and to mitigate the worst excesses of progressivism. |
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Post by 2020vision on Jan 29, 2022 22:31:13 GMT
Supposedly 5% of No voters were pro life does anybody remember televised debates etc?
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