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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 21, 2017 15:02:25 GMT
I did wonder about putting the red hair and other genetic features in. Likewise the Irish weather. I suppose I put them in because I feel they have a cultural significance-- red-headed Irish charactes in fiction, and so forth.
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Post by Antaine on Sept 21, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
Speaking of red hair (I'll be honest, I prefer to call it orange hair because it looks more orange than red to me) I've never understood people who consider "gingers" as ugly.
I think girls with red hair are lovely looking; especially when it's wavy or curly. Though I did once know a lovely looking girl with medium straight hair too. Also, I think freckles are rather cute, myself.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 21, 2017 17:33:36 GMT
Speaking of red hair (I'll be honest, I prefer to call it orange hair because it looks more orange than red to me) I've never understood people who consider "gingers" as ugly. I think girls with red hair are lovely looking; especially when it's wavy or curly. Though I did once know a lovely looking girl with medium straight hair too. Also, I think freckles are rather cute, myself. I agree on both counts!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 21, 2017 17:47:39 GMT
I see there are lots of typos in the list. Will correct it when I can.
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Post by servantofthechief on Sept 21, 2017 18:39:10 GMT
Speaking of red hair (I'll be honest, I prefer to call it orange hair because it looks more orange than red to me) I've never understood people who consider "gingers" as ugly. I think girls with red hair are lovely looking; especially when it's wavy or curly. Though I did once know a lovely looking girl with medium straight hair too. Also, I think freckles are rather cute, myself. I think its more a cultural shift over recent years than anything else, ever since the 'red headed step child' became a popular meme in western cultures as a short hand for a member of a group who stuck out/didn't belong. In the last decade its more of an American and British thing to make fun of gingers as 'having no souls' mostly as a form of teasing. Pretty much everyone agrees red headed women are beautiful, but with red headed guys its a different affair, if they are unfortunate enough to have any shade of red that isn't distinctly dark red or other masculine shade, doubly so if they have the dreaded 'strawberry blonde' hair where you can't tell if its ginger or blonde, even more so if you're one of those men who for some genetic reason can't grow a full beard. (For the sake of the discussion, Ginger refers to everything from strawberry blonde to blood red hair) The thing is, in recent years it was speculated red heads were 'dying out' because there were less of them over the last few generations. Which of course is nonsense, red hair is a recessive gene as we have now understood and it is not unheard of for it to skip generations. Irishmen having always been a kind of blonde, brown or other fair haired, so having red hair just simply makes you a schoolyard target for standing out in this generation of fairly darker hair shades dominating the cultural psyche, and the innate childishness of modern society happily continuing on the 'harmless teasing' into adulthood, because unlike glasses, there is never a worry that one day you might wear red hair. It is my prediction in another generation or two, we're going to see a surplus of red hair popping up all over the place that such mockery, at least in Ireland will make absolutely no sense culturally when it seems half the adult population is running around with red hair.
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Post by Séamus on Sept 23, 2017 5:28:54 GMT
Under SUPERSTITION you haven't mentioned one that my parents always come up with: When a scian is dropped on the kitchen floor it means that there's a visitor on their way to the house.
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Post by Séamus on Sept 23, 2017 7:46:51 GMT
I have integrated all the suggestions into a Etc br] Visual artsCeltic knotwork Pre-Celtic spirals Hiberno-Romanesque architecture John Hinde postcards[bretc ] Food and Drink[ Etc Clothes Etc ]Red hair Blue eyes Sunburn Freckles There seems to be a big gap in VISUAL ARTS between the ancient monastic art and John Hinde, Maybe the Hone family could be included, not because they're greater than other Irish painters, but because they boast several artists in their generations, family talent bring an Irish trait. Edwin and Michelangelo Hayes are another example. Or WB Yeats' brother and father for that matter, John was an Olympic medalist when the art category was still awarding medals. Irish stained glass artists in the last two centuries have punched above their weight also. Should the Honan chapel get special mention? Clothes- Young Irish abroad nowadays are usually distinguished by their GAA shirts,which is traditional enough, especially as their often written in Irish now. Speaking of foodstuffs,I remember when I was young we had so-called red lemonade. Not sure whether you ever got that anywhere else besides Ireland?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 23, 2017 9:45:51 GMT
I agree the visual arts section is skimpy. However, I want it to contain traditions not individual artists. Then it would just because a list of people (writers, musicians, etc.) So John Hinde postcards works, so does the stained glass tradition but not Jack B. Yeats. (But using Yeats paintings as book covers might.)
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Post by Séamus on Sept 23, 2017 13:06:30 GMT
I just noticed that you DID have red lemonade, sorry. No mention of Ogham writing or stones. Hypothetically,I don't know what section they'd be. Should Skelligs get a special mention, or is monastic tradition to cover all that? I have a coffee-table book of early Cistercian monasteries; the architecture of Irish Cistercian buildings was definitely unique and important to Ireland's history also. Lace-making, of course is very much a European thing, but Ireland has had a well deserved reputation for excellence there-some convents were well known for teaching the art. We have a 1930s one at our church, originally from Cork. Did anyone mention round towers? It be under 'monastic' also? Under religion or language should O'RIARDA sacred music be mentioned? The amount written wasn't large, but as Latin was largely used throughout history,it was something unusual when written. They used to sing hymns at GAA grand finals. Apparently. That was unique. Messiah, first performed in Dublin, mightn't be quintessentially Irish, but choirs through the years have commemorated Handel's launch and first performance in Dublin. Also: has the O'Connell monument ever had a nickname? If so, why not?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 23, 2017 13:29:02 GMT
Those are all great additions...thanks!
O'Connell has never got the rhyming slang treatment because nothing rhymes with "angels".
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Post by Séamus on Sept 24, 2017 6:17:20 GMT
Those are all great additions...thanks! O'Connell has never got the rhyming slang treatment because nothing rhymes with "angels". I always thought of them as muses, but for today's day and age I'm glad they're angels
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Post by tomás laserian on Sept 24, 2017 11:58:33 GMT
curragh boats, can i suggest, also spelt currach
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 28, 2017 11:38:07 GMT
Just a question about "trick or treating"...did you "trick or treat" as a child?
When I was a kid, in the eighties, in Ballymun, it was "help the Halloween party" rather than "trick or treat". Was that said anywhere else?
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Post by Séamus on Oct 28, 2017 12:21:52 GMT
Just a question about "trick or treating"...did you "trick or treat" as a child? When I was a kid, in the eighties, in Ballymun, it was "help the Halloween party" rather than "trick or treat". Was that said anywhere else? I never got involved much in ANYTHING, so I'm not representative, but NO, it's something I've never done. I always remember Halloween more for buying nuts, coconuts and unusual fruits that we didn't often buy. And we did have cousins over also. I can recall buying the odd mask and I remember older family members attending dressing up parties but, for me, it was more of Autumn festival. I also remember collecting bags of chestnuts at Phoenix Park for no apparent reason. Once, when I was about six or seven, I asked a family member what exactly the idea of the bags of chestnuts was and was informed nonchalantly that when a witch comes through the window at me in the middle of Halloween night I'm to belt her over the head with them without a moment's hesitation. I was told many years ago that trick-and-treating was banned in Australia many years ago. Despite this the ODD ones are seen. A lot of the "tricks" (ie putting nails in fruit or stones in bags in sweets- pardon me, it's LOLLIES here) was considered too dangerous. Halloween IS bring pedalled by shops more and more however. Another consideration- there are not a few families, largely homeschooled, that refuse to participate in Halloween due to perceived occultist influence. And it must be said: Dressing up as a witch or a demon was a lot more innocent when I or Maolsheachlann or (I don't know anyone else's age) were kids than now, when real witchcraft is an open option for young people. I know that some groups have Saints-dress-up day on Nov.1st, for families that feel that way. [Speaking of fruit in Ireland,I remember gooseberries, but I can't remember wether Chinese gooseberries/kiwifruit were/are common in Ireland or which name they went under? I was wondering because of a joke I sent some people-if they DON'T use the term kiwifruit in Ireland it probably won't make sense to them...]
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on Nov 30, 2017 14:09:33 GMT
I'd like, if I may, to direct you to the work of the Historical Harp Society of Ireland www.Irishharp.org, who are doing amazing work recovering the repertoire of the medieval and early modern Gaelic harpers, reviving their traditions and building replicas of the surviving instruments. The is the Gaelic wire-strung harp; it sounds and is played utterly different to the concert or modern Irish harp. Please like, follow, subscribe, etc., and attend one of their recitals if you possibly can!
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