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Post by connacht4096 on May 21, 2022 19:13:12 GMT
no, one cannot, being both German and Israeli is more possible, Germany has truly admitted and condemns the wrongs they committed against the Jews, and even still pays reperations; Britain actively celebrates their crimes against Ireland; I hope this is not a renewal of your tedious trolling. I noted with approval your recent disavowal of the term on another thread. As an intelligent person you know very well a significant minority of people on this island identify as British and some as Irish and British. Perhaps being English and Irish is incompatible but that hasn't stopped many sucessful Irish celebrities and entrepreneurs in the UK. ní is troll mise. sorry for any offense, habits do not die in a moment of time; I did receive some mental help during my three month hiatus, but very rare lapses could be possible, hopefully no more though; I expressed an opinion; maybe it was an overreaction to what others had asserted; maybe some of you have broader definitions of national identity; it smells a little too much like a betrayal of the principles our struggle for independence fought for to me; but you may have different opinions; if it does occur, it is 100% individual to that person and has no systemic overlap. sorry for the harsh language. will probably stay off this particular thread unless someone specifically responds to one of the other two posts here in the future.
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Post by cato on May 21, 2022 19:23:58 GMT
Any Jew can get Israeli citizenship. They have a right of return which no one strangely has advocated for the Irish diaspora. So a German Jew is automatically a potential Israeli citizen.
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Post by Séamus on Aug 12, 2022 8:48:21 GMT
I would love to generally discuss being Culturally British and Irish. I only heard of Brendan Finucane recently, an American network has created a documentary on his life, creating renewed interest (over 2000 people apparently attended his memorial mass in Britain after he was eventually downed by the Germans). Here's an example of someone whose father fought in the Easter Uprising but who found it appropriate to support Churchill during the Second World War, becoming the youngest and one of the most successful Wing Commanders of the armed forces of his erstwhile enemy. I have come across a few plane-tragics in my life- when they develop a passion for the things it does transcend everything.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 12, 2022 15:13:57 GMT
I would love to generally discuss being Culturally British and Irish. I only heard of Brendan Finucane recently, an American network has created a documentary on his life, creating renewed interest (over 2000 people apparently attended his memorial mass in Britain after he was eventually downed by the Germans). Here's an example of someone whose father fought in the Easter Uprising but who found it appropriate to support Churchill during the Second World War, becoming the youngest and one of the most successful Wing Commanders of the armed forces of his erstwhile enemy. I have come across a few plane-tragics in my life- when they develop a passion for the things it does transcend everything. Well, I imagine piloting must be quite a thrill. Leonard Cheshire was voted Britain's greatest Catholic by the readers of the Catholic Herald some years back, something that greatly surprised me. Perhaps it was greatest Catholic of the twentieth century or some such sub-category? Even still....
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Post by rogerbuck on Aug 13, 2022 23:04:27 GMT
Perusing this thread has interwined with recent musings on the Irish Civil War and the originally very different mentalities of anti-treaty Fianna Fail and the pro-Treaty side that eventually became Fine Gael.
Musing, musing . . .
I'm something of a Platonist really and I cannot help but see two different spirits in Ireland, one that appears very happy to be connected to Britain . . . and one that feels like De Valera's response to the British prime minister (i.e the Welsh Lloyd Georg) in the scenes beginning at 23:12 and going on for 3-5 minutes or so.
"We must impress Mr De Valera with the greatness of the British Empire."
But Dev wanted nothing to do with it.
Unlike some in the Rising, I don't think he hated the British. He just wanted to nothing to do with what Lloyd George advocates in the above.
Many musings . . . I may say more. And will be interested in anyone else's musings . . .
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Post by Tomas on Aug 18, 2022 18:13:06 GMT
Perusing this thread has interwined with recent musings on the Irish Civil War and the originally very different mentalities of anti-treaty Fianna Fail and the pro-Treaty side that eventually became Fine Gael. Musing, musing . . . I'm something of a Platonist really and I cannot help but see two different spirits in Ireland, one that appears very happy to be connected to Britain . . . and one that feels like De Valera's response to the British prime minister (i.e the Welsh Lloyd Georg) in the scenes beginning at 23:12 and going on for 3-5 minutes or so. "We must impress Mr De Valera with the greatness of the British Empire." But Dev wanted nothing to do with it. Unlike some in the Rising, I don't think he hated the British. He just wanted to nothing to do with what Lloyd George advocates in the above. Many musings . . . I may say more. And will be interested in anyone else's musings . . . No ideas on the topic. But: This "typical" film, likeable from the first glimpse, is one I (odd man out) miss to have missed!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 19, 2022 8:33:03 GMT
I'm happy these days if anyone has any nationality at all. So Irish and British is just fine by me.
My biggest problem with multiculturalism is that it's not multiculturalism, it's just a nondescript goo.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 20, 2022 19:14:53 GMT
I'm happy these days if anyone has any nationality at all. So Irish and British is just fine by me. My biggest problem with multiculturalism is that it's not multiculturalism, it's just a nondescript goo. Maolsheachlann, that is exactly the problem. Some comments from the margin here: In Sweden this weekend we had the 45th fatal shooting of the year! This time in a large central shopping mall galleria in one of the major cities (in all 230+ shootings and 45 killed, only this year, is something like an infamous record for EU) but even if many involved in these crimes are immigrants a Swede today can definitely be other than exclusively an ethnical Swede of 7+ generations back. Jewish communities for one example can often be seen as "assimilating" in a certain way in various nations. In our case they were easily so from the 19th century onwards. Even most muslims living here now, especially those that came some decades back and not them recently from Syria, are "secular" or "not islamists" and on many occasions no more difficult than average citizens. The problem with policies around drugs money and criminal gang shootings is not only about the so called multiculturalism itself. People mix and mostly goes along, but the loss of national sentiment is a rather tragic loss. Yet too late to repair for the nearest generations whatever politics be applied. So the question is more on how to cope in the daily blur. What matters more than ethnical background is the spirit. If you want to live right, even foreigners can do better than a rainbow liberal. (Most disappointing of all is that majority approves of that agenda no matter where they come from.) Sometimes you never miss it till it's gone, comes to mind...
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