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Post by Stephen on Aug 29, 2017 11:50:11 GMT
Can we discuss the benefits and difficulties of restoring an Irish monarchy? Maybe we could talk about the different types of monarchy that would be possible and what type of government would form as a result. Attachments:
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 29, 2017 13:16:12 GMT
I am all in favour of an Irish monarchy, but it seems so unlikely to happen that it's only worth thinking about as a kind of "what I would do if I could fly" fantasy.
Personally, I wouldn't really mind how the monarch was chosen.
However, I would want him or her to be a constitutional monarch such as Elizabeth II or any of the other European monarchs in existence.
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Post by servantofthechief on Aug 29, 2017 14:47:59 GMT
I have had a mountain of thoughts on the matter. The only thing I can say is it cannot happen without a radical departure from the current trajectory of modern Irish culture, and no effort at restoration will ever be successful without the support of the Church. Otherwise any restoration would have to be justified on ideological and policy basis which is a terrible idea in this day and age because then the justification of the monarchy isn't tied to history, culture and religion but to economic dogmas.
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Post by cato on Aug 29, 2017 14:53:49 GMT
I would be in favour of reviving the pre christian celtic kingship . If the crops failed or if it rained too much we would garrotte him (or her of course) ritually stab them and throw their body in a bog. Then we could choose another one.As this was the pagan practice I can't imagine the secularists objecting. It would also appeal to all the new agers and celtophiles.
In order to transition from the present constitutional provisions I would suggest our current president would become the first king.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 29, 2017 15:15:17 GMT
If the crops failed or if it rained too much we would garrotte him (or her of course) ritually stab them and throw their body in a bog. Cato has been suspended from the forum for advocating violence against women. Not really.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 29, 2017 15:21:37 GMT
I have had a mountain of thoughts on the matter. The only thing I can say is it cannot happen without a radical departure from the current trajectory of modern Irish culture, and no effort at restoration will ever be successful without the support of the Church. Otherwise any restoration would have to be justified on ideological and policy basis which is a terrible idea in this day and age because then the justification of the monarchy isn't tied to history, culture and religion but to economic dogmas. It's hard to see now, but I suppose political culture has changed radically in my own lifetime. I never would have believed the events of 2016-- Brexit and Donald Trump. The return of populism and nationalism is something I had given up hope for. Monarchism is another massive step again, but perhaps it is not so outlandish. If the New Right continues to gain in adherents, it may become a possibility. (I say "New Right" rather than Alt Right, because the Alt Right is only one strand.)
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Post by cato on Aug 29, 2017 15:22:12 GMT
Your attempt to silence my gender equality agenda will never succeed . RESIST !! 👭
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Post by cato on Aug 29, 2017 16:54:12 GMT
I have had a mountain of thoughts on the matter. The only thing I can say is it cannot happen without a radical departure from the current trajectory of modern Irish culture, and no effort at restoration will ever be successful without the support of the Church. Otherwise any restoration would have to be justified on ideological and policy basis which is a terrible idea in this day and age because then the justification of the monarchy isn't tied to history, culture and religion but to economic dogmas. The one minor problem is that the catholic church under the current supreme pontiff has decided to deal with all its own problems by begining a process of deconstruction of traditional catholicism.
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Post by servantofthechief on Aug 29, 2017 18:58:39 GMT
I have had a mountain of thoughts on the matter. The only thing I can say is it cannot happen without a radical departure from the current trajectory of modern Irish culture, and no effort at restoration will ever be successful without the support of the Church. Otherwise any restoration would have to be justified on ideological and policy basis which is a terrible idea in this day and age because then the justification of the monarchy isn't tied to history, culture and religion but to economic dogmas. The one minor problem is that the catholic church under the current supreme pontiff has decided to deal with all its own problems by begining a process of deconstruction of traditional catholicism. Hence the problem. If we had a more traditionalist Pope, he might not necessarily support it, because realpolitik, but he might do it many favours by not opposing it and by putting the kibosh on clerics in Ireland opposing it. Hoping for a pope who openly advocates for it would be a dream come true of course, but lets not count our miracles before they are gifted.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 29, 2017 20:32:28 GMT
I have sometimes wondered if it would be possible to have an unofficial monarch. Presumably there is no law against it. In time, it might become official.
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Post by cato on Aug 30, 2017 5:44:11 GMT
Tory island off the Donegal coast has a king Patsy Dan Rodgers. When the islanders come over to the mainland in Donegal they say they are going to Ireland ,which sounds remarkably self assured.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 30, 2017 8:30:12 GMT
I have heard that said of many islands.
Honestly, I wonder if it would be a good idea for monarchists in Ireland to band together and proclaim a king. I rather like the idea of leaving the State out of it, historically anachronistic as that might be. I've always been more of a nationalist than a statist.
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Post by Stephen on Aug 30, 2017 9:12:59 GMT
The big question is who would have the right to be proclaimed King?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 30, 2017 9:29:37 GMT
It doesn't matter. You could pull the first dude off the Liffey boardwalk.
(I mean, obviously somebody from Dublin.)
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Post by Stephen on Aug 30, 2017 10:49:54 GMT
Maolsheachlann it does matter. He would not be a King if he does not have a legitimate claim!
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