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Apr 9, 2018 9:36:37 GMT
Post by Tomas on Apr 9, 2018 9:36:37 GMT
Sad to hear how he died. I had no idea that it was the same man that starred in "new wave" Skids before who made Big Country. Here in Sweden they were popular too but I never listened to a single song from them when that happened. (on the other hand Skids first success lp was almost the very first record I bought from my own pocket money.) Before Stuart Adamson died he had moved to Nashville to experiment with a more country music oriented type feel to his hitherto Celtic Rock style. He formed a new band, the Raphaels, and made one album 'Supernatural'. One of the songs off that is the type of hauntingly plaintive music that only a few Irish and Scottish bands seem to achieve: it's called 'Old Country Country': www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu-cB0yLc3QThanks Assisi! Fine sounds, so tragic he left.
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Apr 12, 2018 13:27:33 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Apr 12, 2018 13:27:33 GMT
Sad to hear how he died. I had no idea that it was the same man that starred in "new wave" Skids before who made Big Country. Here in Sweden they were popular too but I never listened to a single song from them when that happened. (on the other hand Skids first success lp was almost the very first record I bought from my own pocket money.) It's quite poignant watching any old footage of a musician who died youngish or tragically,I think especially of Black/Colin Vearncombe singing 'Wonderful Life' or Toto losing both Porcaro brothers, Adamson's death was terrible though. I'm sure there's as many good musicians around now (although my present preference probably doesn't get any closer to 'upbeat' than Ludovico Einaudi) and conservatives need not always look back to the 80s, BUT- seeing that Mr O'Ceallaigh is looking for suggestions, there are a few Australian songs and groups from that era that are still played here which,I'm certain wouldn't be remembered in Ireland and are perhaps never played during NEIGHBOURS episodes either... Eurogliders, originally from Perth, especially HEAVEN(MUST BE THERE)- The tubular bells are great. Going by the original video, it was a rather stylised set. The girl who played them doesn't seem to have stayed on as a notable member of the band. Australian Crawl, whose singer was actually white-African- DOWNHEARTED and RECKLESS seem to live forever. An Errol Flynn tribute,'Oh Errol' is catchy also. The Takeaways song SWEET AND SOUR is catchy... If you watch the original video you might pick out which member is a brother of Crawl's lead singer. A group that were called Ganggajang have a curious classic called SOUNDS OF THEN...not sure what it's about, but "out on the patio we sit and the humidity we breathe... This is Australia" probably defines it for some people.
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Apr 12, 2018 14:12:29 GMT
Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 12, 2018 14:12:29 GMT
Sad to hear how he died. I had no idea that it was the same man that starred in "new wave" Skids before who made Big Country. Here in Sweden they were popular too but I never listened to a single song from them when that happened. (on the other hand Skids first success lp was almost the very first record I bought from my own pocket money.) It's quite poignant watching any old footage of a musician who died youngish or tragically,I think especially of Black/Colin Vearncombe singing 'Wonderful Life' or Toto losing both Porcaro brothers, Adamson's death was terrible though. I'm sure there's as many good musicians around now (although my present preference probably doesn't get any closer to 'upbeat' than Ludovico Einaudi) and conservatives need not always look back to the 80s, BUT- seeing that Mr O'Ceallaigh is looking for suggestions, there are a few Australian songs and groups from that era that are still played here which,I'm certain wouldn't be remembered in Ireland and are perhaps never played during NEIGHBOURS episodes either... Eurogliders, originally from Perth, especially HEAVEN(MUST BE THERE)- The tubular bells are great. Going by the original video, it was a rather stylised set. The girl who played them doesn't seem to have stayed on as a notable member of the band. Australian Crawl, whose singer was actually white-African- DOWNHEARTED and RECKLESS seem to live forever. An Errol Flynn tribute,'Oh Errol' is catchy also. The Takeaways song SWEET AND SOUR is catchy... If you watch the original video you might pick out which member is a brother of Crawl's lead singer. A group that were called Ganggajang have a curious classic called SOUNDS OF THEN...not sure what it's about, but "out on the patio we sit and the humidity we breathe... This is Australia" probably defines it for some people. How self-conscious or self-referential is Australian culture, in general? I have an Australian colleague who watches a show called Packed to the Rafters. I know the film The Craic was a huge hit there, but apparently it's not very good. He gave me a snowglobe of Melbourne yesterday. I now have two Australian snow globes, and nine snow globes all together.
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Apr 14, 2018 2:34:43 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Apr 14, 2018 2:34:43 GMT
It's ...... probably defines it for some people. How self-conscious or self-referential is Australian culture, in general? [br..... together. Hmmmmm....I can't quite find a reply to that question
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Apr 15, 2018 6:50:12 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Apr 15, 2018 6:50:12 GMT
How self-conscious or self-referential is Australian culture, in general? [br..... together. Hmmmmm....I can't quite find a reply to that question but...I read another unusual editorial this morning, by a WOMAN journalist,commenting on fashionable author Tim Winton ".... Winton has, in appearances and talks, while promoting his book, implored men to help our boys rid themselves of the patriarchy and misogyny to which they are hopelessly ' shackled'... But I would go one further and argue that our obsession with feminizing boys has regulated traditional bloke activities to the bin... The best man, our culture says relentlessly, is the one most like a woman. I'm probably not supposed to air that in polite company.... Somehow I can't reconcile this when I say goodnight to my teenage son... Toxic, no. Misunderstood, yes. I wonder if being a young male in this age feels more like standing in quicksand...' boys need help', he wrote (Winton)'and, yes, men need fixing-I'm mindful of that, males arrive in our community in the coat-tails of an almost endless chain of unexamined privilege ' I'm not a bloke, but I take some issue with this wild generalisation. It feels like he's selling the brotherhood out and it's uncomfortable. Where the solidarity, the mateship for which Aussie men are held up all over the world?... It reinforces that our boys have something to apologise for before they open their mouths" Anyway, another(Australian) classic that I always find catchy is by a jazzy female singer Renée Geyer SAY I LOVE YOU. Her name would have been most unusual for an Aussie of her generation(she'd be in her 60s now. ) Her drunkenness had made her a subject of headlines in recent years-she yelled an offensive remark at a Polynesian a little while ago- the judge DIDN'T jail her, which was remarkable because Melbourne/Victoria has an extremely left-wing government which passed stringent "hate speech laws". Appropriately, SAY I LOVE YOU contained the words somewhere SAY YOU FORGIVE ME ONE MORE TIME. Something she's had several opportunities to sing in court.
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Post by Séamus on Jun 10, 2018 12:28:02 GMT
In INSPIRATION FROM THE SAINTS yesterday,I read the piece about Bl Ceferino Giménez which included the line "contrary to the popular perception of the Spanish civil war, as promoted by the Abba song 'Fernando' and any number of books, song and films, there were atrocities..." FERNANDO became a minor news story in Australia last year due to it's Australian record of 14 weeks at#1 being surpassed for the first time by Ed Sheeran. Some people pointed out that having a number one song is far from the same thing now as it was in the 70s when it involved sales and/or pre-sales of physical records, but whatever of that... I had never seen the words before this- I'd always thought it was a love song. Reading a bit about it though- this is NOT criticism, by the way; THERE'S SEVERAL OPINIONS- it's not entirely clear that all the versions of the song they recorded were actually about Spain. According to the wiki entry, the band recorded FERNANDO in Swedish, Spanish and English and they don't tell the exact same story in each version. The mention of Rio Grande points more to the Mexican civil wars. But then someone remarked that 'rio grande' in Spanish CAN point to a large river in Spain or any Spanish-speaking country. Bjorn did mention Mexico in the context of the lyrics once, but the three, perhaps more, translations can interpret differently. Anna Frid simultaneously recorded a solo version also. The Spanish version must be a tad romantic "something...shone for the two of us". And there WERE many women combatants in the Spanish Civil Wars. The English lyrics "I am not ashamed to say the roar of guns and cannons almost made me cry" seem to imply the narrator being a younger man, only a friend. Women combatants were still largely unknown in the Anglosphere in the 70s. Apparently the Fernando of the Swedish version had just been jilted and was being consoled by a male friend, but I can't verify this. Perhaps all this gender confusion is one of the things that have made Abba popular among gay men? I'm not defending the Abba people, whatever their ideology, which actually doesn't interest me;I know Benny was very upset about Britain leaving the EU; Anna practices Buddhism, but as she is now Princess Dowager of a Norwegian royal house she would,no doubt, have to have some contact with establishment Lutheranism?; but we mightn't need to worry too much about whether they were creating a John Lennon-style promo of Communism by FERNANDO,I don't think.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 10, 2018 13:06:42 GMT
It's a good song, musically speaking. Even the lyrics are good. Abba were good at writing simple lyrics.
I never heard the theory about Mexico. That's interesting.
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Jun 11, 2018 9:39:17 GMT
Post by Tomas on Jun 11, 2018 9:39:17 GMT
Since I always hear the English version this was making me curious to hear it in Swedish to see what differs. Séamus, sorry for being too much into details but "Anna" is never ever called Anna, only either Frida or her full name Annifrid... mundanely she actually lived in my hometown and began her career here, and was honoured very belatedly by an official music prize/diploma a couple of years back (rather poor commune standards!) and I have never heard of any family heritage in connections to the Royal house in Norway?? The man she married was a prince or so but not herself before marriage.
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Jun 11, 2018 11:32:51 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Jun 11, 2018 11:32:51 GMT
Since I always hear the English version this was making me curious to hear it in Swedish to see what differs. Séamus, sorry for being too much into details but "Anna" is never ever called Anna, only either Frida or her full name Annifrid... mundanely she actually lived in my hometown and began her career here, and was honoured very belatedly by an official music prize/diploma a couple of years back (rather poor commune standards!) and I have never heard of any family heritage in connections to the Royal house in Norway?? The man she married was a prince or so but not herself before marriage. A dowager, in the English language, is usually someone that has inherited a title from her husband. From what I read, she was entitled to this title since her widowhood, from 1999
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Jun 11, 2018 11:41:58 GMT
Post by Tomas on Jun 11, 2018 11:41:58 GMT
Since I always hear the English version this was making me curious to hear it in Swedish to see what differs. Séamus, sorry for being too much into details but "Anna" is never ever called Anna, only either Frida or her full name Annifrid... mundanely she actually lived in my hometown and began her career here, and was honoured very belatedly by an official music prize/diploma a couple of years back (rather poor commune standards!) and I have never heard of any family heritage in connections to the Royal house in Norway?? The man she married was a prince or so but not herself before marriage. A dowager, in the English language, is usually someone that has inherited a title from her husband. From what I read, she was entitled to this title since her widowhood, from 1999 Sorry didn´t know that word. Her late husband were not Norwegian though so there was where my thoughts went off a bit (he was Swiss or maybe from Austria or Germany I think.) But it might be me getting the whole thing wrong around anyway. Perhaps his heritage were Norwegian earlier on or something?
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Jun 11, 2018 12:07:03 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Jun 11, 2018 12:07:03 GMT
It's a good song, musically speaking. Even the lyrics are good. Abba were good at writing simple lyrics. I never heard the theory about Mexico. That's interesting. Recently I was looking up THE DAY BEFORE YOU CAME, one of their songs that I am old enough to remember, but had never heard of before Benny Andersson released a piano version last year. The instrumental piano recording is very evocative whilst the original sung version is NICE, but I'm somehow I much favour the former. The datedness of the early 80s lyrics makes them worth reading. "I must have made my desk around a quarter after nine with letters to be read and heaps of papers to be signed" Not many offices with heaps of papers these days "I must have lit my seventh cigarette at half past two and at the time I never even noticed I was blue" Not even Abba would get away with that one today. "undoubtedly I must have read the evening paper then" She'd already read the morning one, but I guess that are probably still some peoples who read two material papers a day? "I'm sure I had my dinner watching something on TV. There's not,I think,a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see" Hilarious. "I must have read a while,the latest one by Marilyn French or something of that style" I had to look French up. Militant American feminist. Can't remember her by name, although her saying that all males are basically rapists sounded familiar. Was this an endorsement? Something meant to be dated like Dallas? Or ironic, an obviously independent and secure woman, later saying "it's funny, but I had no sense of living without aim (the day before you came)" The original video is of interest to anyone who sees Abba as being basically a 70s band. The movie-style video shows that they had indeed embraced the MTV era. The bit of Stockholm that we see, although mostly a train-bridge and train station is still rather romantic. Critics remarked that the train was going backwards, don't know why. Blancmange,a group I hadn't heard of, recorded another version soon after. It's hard to tell if it was partially tongue-in-cheek, it's almost seems as if he's answering Agnetha back in the same words, especially as the Blancmange video showed grainy images of her from the Abba video, mixed with some unromantic images of peak hour London.
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Jun 11, 2018 12:19:00 GMT
Post by Tomas on Jun 11, 2018 12:19:00 GMT
It's a good song, musically speaking. Even the lyrics are good. Abba were good at writing simple lyrics. I never heard the theory about Mexico. That's interesting. Recently I was looking up THE DAY BEFORE YOU CAME, one of their songs that I am old enough to remember, but had never heard of before Benny Andersson released a piano version last year. The instrumental piano recording is very evocative whilst the original sung version is NICE, but I'm somehow I much favour the former. The datedness of the early 80s lyrics makes them worth reading. "I must have made my desk around a quarter after nine with letters to be read and heaps of papers to be signed" Not many offices with heaps of papers these days "I must have lit my seventh cigarette at half past two and at the time I never even noticed I was blue" Not even Abba would get away with that one today. "undoubtedly I must have read the evening paper then" She'd already read the morning one, but I guess that are probably still some peoples who read two material papers a day? "I'm sure I had my dinner watching something on TV. There's not,I think,a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see" Hilarious. "I must have read a while,the latest one by Marilyn French or something of that style" I had to look French up. Militant American feminist. Can't remember her by name, although her saying that all males are basically rapists sounded familiar. Was this an endorsement? Something meant to be dated like Dallas? Or ironic, an obviously independent and secure woman, later saying "it's funny, but I had no sense of living without aim (the day before you came)" The original video is of interest to anyone who sees Abba as being basically a 70s band. The movie-style video shows that they had indeed embraced the MTV era. The bit of Stockholm that we see, although mostly a train-bridge and train station is still rather romantic. Critics remarked that the train was going backwards, don't know why. Blancmange,a group I hadn't heard of, recorded another version soon after. It's hard to tell if it was partially tongue-in-cheek, it's almost seems as if he's answering Agnetha back in the same words, especially as the Blancmange video showed grainy images of her from the Abba video, mixed with some unromantic images of peak hour London. Haha, when Dallas was televised it was making almost every Swede glued in front of each episode. When Larry Hagman visited his mother-in-law in my hometown close to that heyday there were crowds in the streets like rarely before, waiting to catch a glimpse. He arrived by helicopter and even looked and behaved like an alter ego to his character JR! (I was about 13 years old or so at the time.)
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Jun 11, 2018 12:19:18 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Jun 11, 2018 12:19:18 GMT
A dowager, in the English language, is usually someone that has inherited a title from her husband. From what I read, she was entitled to this title since her widowhood, from 1999 Sorry didn´t know that word. Her late husband were not Norwegian though so there was where my thoughts went off a bit (he was Swiss or maybe from Austria or Germany I think.) But it might be me getting the whole thing wrong around anyway. Perhaps his heritage were Norwegian earlier on or something? Yes her article DOES mention that it's a GERMAN family,I hadn't reread the piece before writing Norway,which for some reason I thought it was.
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Jun 11, 2018 12:25:54 GMT
Post by Tomas on Jun 11, 2018 12:25:54 GMT
Sorry didn´t know that word. Her late husband were not Norwegian though so there was where my thoughts went off a bit (he was Swiss or maybe from Austria or Germany I think.) But it might be me getting the whole thing wrong around anyway. Perhaps his heritage were Norwegian earlier on or something? Yes her article DOES mention that it's a GERMAN family,I hadn't reread the piece before writing Norway,which for some reason I thought it was. A bit sensitive it that matter. No more comments about their nationality relations here.
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Jun 11, 2018 12:28:48 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Jun 11, 2018 12:28:48 GMT
Recently I was looking up THE DAY BEFORE YOU CAME, one of their songs that I am old enough to remember, but had never heard of before Benny Andersson released a piano version last year. The instrumental piano recording is very evocative whilst the original sung version is NICE, but I'm somehow I much favour the former. The datedness of the early 80s lyrics makes them worth reading. "I must have made my desk around a quarter after nine with letters to be read and heaps of papers to be signed" Not many offices with heaps of papers these days "I must have lit my seventh cigarette at half past two and at the time I never even noticed I was blue" Not even Abba would get away with that one today. "undoubtedly I must have read the evening paper then" She'd already read the morning one, but I guess that are probably still some peoples who read two material papers a day? "I'm sure I had my dinner watching something on TV. There's not,I think,a single episode of Dallas that I didn't see" Hilarious. "I must have read a while,the latest one by Marilyn French or something of that style" I had to look French up. Militant American feminist. Can't remember her by name, although her saying that all males are basically rapists sounded familiar. Was this an endorsement? Something meant to be dated like Dallas? Or ironic, an obviously independent and secure woman, later saying "it's funny, but I had no sense of living without aim (the day before you came)" The original video is of interest to anyone who sees Abba as being basically a 70s band. The movie-style video shows that they had indeed embraced the MTV era. The bit of Stockholm that we see, although mostly a train-bridge and train station is still rather romantic. Critics remarked that the train was going backwards, don't know why. Blancmange,a group I hadn't heard of, recorded another version soon after. It's hard to tell if it was partially tongue-in-cheek, it's almost seems as if he's answering Agnetha back in the same words, especially as the Blancmange video showed grainy images of her from the Abba video, mixed with some unromantic images of peak hour London. Haha, when Dallas was televised it was making almost every Swede glued in front of each episode. When Larry Hagman visited his mother-in-law in my hometown close to that heyday there were crowds in the streets like rarely before, waiting to catch a glimpse. He arrived by helicopter and even looked and behaved like an alter ego to his character JR! (I was about 13 years old or so at the time.) Sounds like a very interesting town.
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