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Aontú
Feb 18, 2019 12:33:07 GMT
Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2019 12:33:07 GMT
If the new party at least stood for two fundamental things, being pro-life and being for national sovereignty, then that would be a positive starting platform. I saw on their facebook page an argument developing between those who are anti all abortions and those who are against abortion but with some exceptions. The party therefore would need to give as much clarity as possible on this issue from the outset. It says a lot about mistaken notions of conscience that it appears even at this stage that a pro abortion stance could be taken by someone in the new party. A few years ago Renua also fell into this trap becoming a pro life party which allowed members to be pro abortion in practice. This needs to be a red line issue. Unfortunately this issue is literally one of the few real red line issues in our politics today. If you are pro choice join Labour, Sinn Fein, Fianna Fail , Fine Gael , People before Profit , the Social Democrats, Solidarity .... I Suppose it is up to party members and Pro-lifers to keep the parties feet to the fire at all occasions on this issue.
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Aontú
May 7, 2019 20:53:00 GMT
Post by assisi on May 7, 2019 20:53:00 GMT
Aontu didn't do well in the local council elections up here in the North. They only got in one councillor in Derry. Elsewhere there were quite a few Aontu candidates (about 13 in total) standing for election but they polled quite poorly.
Compared to the 2014 equivalent the DUP are 8 seats down and Sinn Fein stayed the same. In Derry Sinn Fein lost a significant 5 council seats, but obviously gained elsewhere in the North.
The middle ground party Alliance were the main beneficiaries gaining 21 seats.
It seems to need something substantial to get people to change their voting habits. Both Sinn Fein and DUP have been out of government for 2 years and there is a lot of anger towards them. Nonetheless they still retain the majority support.
In Britain as a whole it looks as if it is the seismic Brexit betrayal that has finally forced a significant number of voters to abandon the Conservatives (and to an extent, Labour).
All this doesn't look promising for new parties. People need to be shaken out of their old ways.
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Aontú
May 8, 2019 8:37:55 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 8, 2019 8:37:55 GMT
Aontu didn't do well in the local council elections up here in the North. They only got in one councillor in Derry. Elsewhere there were quite a few Aontu candidates (about 13 in total) standing for election but they polled quite poorly. Compared to the 2014 equivalent the DUP are 8 seats down and Sinn Fein stayed the same. In Derry Sinn Fein lost a significant 5 council seats, but obviously gained elsewhere in the North. The middle ground party Alliance were the main beneficiaries gaining 21 seats. It seems to need something substantial to get people to change their voting habits. Both Sinn Fein and DUP have been out of government for 2 years and there is a lot of anger towards them. Nonetheless they still retain the majority support. In Britain as a whole it looks as if it is the seismic Brexit betrayal that has finally forced a significant number of voters to abandon the Conservatives (and to an extent, Labour). All this doesn't look promising for new parties. People need to be shaken out of their old ways. Indeed. I've often pondered on the fact that, even in an era when conservatism is a dirty word, voters (in English-speaking countries at any rate) are extremely conservative when it comes to party politics. They don't really seem to care how many policies change as long as the name remains the same. What relation do the four major Irish parties today bear to the parties they were sixty years ago?
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Aontú
May 8, 2019 16:22:47 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 8, 2019 16:22:47 GMT
In this Gemma O'Doherty interview with Justin Barrett, both dismiss Aontú as "controlled opposition" from about 52:40 onwards (just a brief discussion, though they return to the topic later). If that's a bit speculative for you, this article in the Burkean is more balanced but fundamentally suspicious of the new party. Both condemn Aontú (rightly, in my view) for signing the " Anti-Racism Election Protocol" of ENAR, yet another manifestation of the hydra-headed and lavishly funded "anti-racist" (read: globalist) industry in Ireland. The Burkean article put it very well: "As alleged before, Aontú does have the potential to give the pro-life movement a foot in the door and incubate a real opposition movement in Ireland. However, if it fails to make the proper friend/foe distinctions and sides upfront with Ireland’s NGO industry it could turn away much of its support. If when all is said and done, Aontú merely emerges onto the political centre stage as a watered down version of Sinn Féin or the ideological equivalent of Fianna Fáil from the early 2000s, then what really is the point?" Servant of the Chief's reference to "slow liberalism" is the key point, I think. I don't think much of a conservatism which is simply catering to the laggards of social revolution, giving them a grace period of a few years to dissent on a few issues. And really, though we might well applaud his stance on the issue of abortion, WHY was Peadar Toibín in Sinn Féin in the first place? Why would anyone be in Sinn Féin? Their turn to the radical globalist left was not yesterday nor the day before.
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Aontú
May 31, 2019 10:09:42 GMT
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Post by Stephen on May 31, 2019 10:09:42 GMT
What do people think of Aontu results both North and South in the council elections?
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