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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 1, 2019 16:37:35 GMT
What do members think of the proposals from the Department of Education to stop teaching "Dia dhuit" and "Dia's Muire dhuit" as greetings in primary schools, since they are considered offensive to children from non-religious backgrounds?
Apparently they are to be replaced by "Sonas leat!" and "Sonas is síocháin leat!".
I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 2, 2019 6:44:53 GMT
The Irish Language and the Catholicism are so interlinked, it will destroy the character of the language if all it vocab and sayings are modified by the politically correct. Realistically it is a very small few that are using "non-religious backgrounds" as an excuse to promote degeneracy.
An té a luíonn le madaí, eiroidh sé le dearnaid.
He who lies down with dogs, gets up with fleas
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Post by optatuscleary on Apr 2, 2019 21:44:10 GMT
From a purely linguistic perspective this is a disaster. Irish has a tiny number of speakers, and far more people learn some in primary school than actually speak it as a native language. Thus, primary schools changing the way it is taught could have a significant effect on how it is spoken and understood. If schools across the English speaking world decided to replace “Goodbye” with “Farewell” (for instance) it would have little impact on day-to-day speech. With a less-spoken language like Irish, such a change could actually change how Irish speakers make themselves understood. If a new Irish speaker who learns the language in primary school never learns “Dia dhuit,” perhaps established speakers will be forced to change their usage. I think of some of the Native American languages that are near extinction in California. Obviously they are much worse off than Irish. I have no doubt that they draw heavily on their own cultures’ spiritual traditions, in which I do not believe. However, I would not want them to change these terms, purely because to do so would destroy important parts of the language, tradition, and culture that could then be lost to future study.
That said, as a teacher I know that the content of the curriculum and the material taught in class do not always perfectly align. I would hope Irish-language teachers would at very least say something like “Some people say ‘Dia dhuit’ as a greeting as well” so that their students are not ignorant. In California there are things that are part of the curriculum, like cursive writing, that are almost never taught. There are other things that are not included in the curriculum that are widely taught. So I am not certain that this change will lead in fact to the disaster that it would lead to in theory.
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Post by cato on Apr 6, 2019 14:17:38 GMT
The desire of the hard atheistic left to kill God and destroy all vestiges of a Christian tradition that is over 1400 years old is a toxic poison polluting our culture and public space. They have no tradition and represent nothing . They are a purely negative destructive force designed solely to wreck and destroy. This is not about inclusion it is about excluding Christians and anyone who loves Irish culture.
It is also designed to shut Christians up in public. The new version of croppies lie down only works if we are cowed and stay silent.
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Post by assisi on Apr 8, 2019 12:24:32 GMT
From a purely linguistic perspective this is a disaster. Irish has a tiny number of speakers, and far more people learn some in primary school than actually speak it as a native language. Thus, primary schools changing the way it is taught could have a significant effect on how it is spoken and understood. If schools across the English speaking world decided to replace “Goodbye” with “Farewell” (for instance) it would have little impact on day-to-day speech. With a less-spoken language like Irish, such a change could actually change how Irish speakers make themselves understood. If a new Irish speaker who learns the language in primary school never learns “Dia dhuit,” perhaps established speakers will be forced to change their usage. I think of some of the Native American languages that are near extinction in California. Obviously they are much worse off than Irish. I have no doubt that they draw heavily on their own cultures’ spiritual traditions, in which I do not believe. However, I would not want them to change these terms, purely because to do so would destroy important parts of the language, tradition, and culture that could then be lost to future study. That said, as a teacher I know that the content of the curriculum and the material taught in class do not always perfectly align. I would hope Irish-language teachers would at very least say something like “Some people say ‘Dia dhuit’ as a greeting as well” so that their students are not ignorant. In California there are things that are part of the curriculum, like cursive writing, that are almost never taught. There are other things that are not included in the curriculum that are widely taught. So I am not certain that this change will lead in fact to the disaster that it would lead to in theory. That is a good point about the Native American languages. Of course any liberal in the U.S. or elsewhere would fawn over the usage of native american mythology or tradition. And rightly so as it expresses the historical depth, uniqueness and beauty of the language. Fast forward to Irish. Again anyone sensible would wish to retain the historical and traditional aspects of their precious language. However, as has been pointed out, if the tradition is Christian then the liberal will want to eradicate that tradition, being decidedly anti-Christian. The Irish liberal would be happy to strip the Irish language of its beauty and poetry and have it read like the instruction manual for a washing machine, rather than have any trace of Christian remnant. Chairman Mao would nod approvingly. |
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