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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 21, 2019 10:22:18 GMT
Is human nature good, or is human nature bad?
I've pondered a lot on this question, and how it relates to conservatism and liberalism. It seems to me that liberalism has an optimistic view of human nature in theory, perhaps deriving from the principles of the French Revolution. However, in practice, liberals often seem to have a very dim view of human institutions and of human society-- perhaps because these fall short of their high expectations.
Conservatives in theory have a more sober view of human nature, but often seem to have a more positive view of actually existing institutions, such as the nation, a monarchy, the family, the army, etc.
This is far from an unvarying principle, though, as liberals often take a brighter view of some institutions than do conservatives: for instance, the State itself, or the education system. And it seems that many conservatives are now becoming cynical of institutions they would once have supported, such as the gardaí, or the BBC in Britain.
Christians believe in original sin, but also believe that "everything God created is good" (1 Timothy 4:4). Creideann Chriostaí i bpeaca an tsinsir, ach creideann siad freisin gur bfhuil maitheas ag baoint leis an uile rud, ós rud gur cruthaigh Dia é. So a Christian perspective seems to be that human nature is good in itself but inescapably fallen, except in the case of Our Lord and Our Lady.
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Post by cato on Jun 21, 2019 11:18:46 GMT
I find the belief in original sin to be one of the important principles of political conservatism and Christian orthodoxy. I think Lewis said it was the only Christian doctrine you could prove by observation! Some types of American conservatism strike me as having sunnier more optimistic views of humanity or maybe specifically American humanity.
Ronald Reagan embodied this more sunny view of optimistic potential even to the extent of quoting Thomas Paine that we have it in our power to make the world new again.
The recent brutal murder of a child by another two children in Ireland , the youngest ever convicted in Ireland has promoted many to reflect on human evil and childhood innocence. Many of the details were horrific including the fact one boy had a phone with over 7000 pornographic images some involving bestiality and children being forced into sexual acts.
The sad tale also developed when voyeurs shared images of the convicted boys on line causing one family to go into hiding. The social media companies also performed a Pontius Pilate act until forced by the courts to remove the images on pain of imprisonment. Evil has many faces in modern post Christian Ireland.
The only redeeming feature of this tragic horror was the quiet dignity of the murdered girls parents.
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Post by servantofthechief on Jun 22, 2019 15:32:18 GMT
One cannot understand humanity, the folly of the progressives or the inherent neccesity of any kind of conservatism, without the acknowledgement of human fallenness, at least tacitly. If man is not sinful and fallen by nature, conservatism and all its myriad connected ideas are merely preferences and not goods, and that there is nothing inherently incorrect about all the myriad ideas and follies of all the 'Will to Power' revolutions of the past centuries. They only failed in execution, not in inception, good intentions matter more than the results, that they wanted to 'change the world', that is to remake it by human means is good, that it resulted in death and slavery of untold millions (nevermind the hideous cost in lost souls in spiritual terms), does not negate that. That the tree provides poisoned fruit does not mean the tree itself is bad.
You cannot heal an illness if you do not acknowledge the patient is sick.
Americanism is actually a good example of this inversion. Was there goodness to the famous American optimism of the 20th century? Almost certainly there was some in it, somewhere. For Americans then believed America was good, at least in part, because it was Christian, and that it would remain good or at least retain the capacity for being good, so long as it remained Christian. Now, that has been warped and twisted, into the form of Americanism we experience now, that America is Christian, a good thing, because America is good. An inversion of what it once was. That is if you listen exclusively to those Americans who still believe America and Americanism is good, and even among those, the ones who believe it is good because it is Christian are still only just the dominant majority.
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