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Post by kj on Aug 17, 2019 7:30:54 GMT
When I was last home one thing that saddened me was the thinner and thinner numbers of elderly people who grew up in Dev's Ireland. The auld fellas with the caps and so on.
When I say Dev's Ireland I mean Ireland up to the end of the 50s, and of course know full well that Dev was not always in power but it seems to have been his country one way or the other.
If someone is 80 now then they will have had their childhood and youth in that period. Someone in their 70s will have had their childhood, but their teens would have marked by the slow creep of 60s counter-culture, where it all started to go wrong in my opinion. I find it amazing that people in their 60s will have been children of the 70s. Time is catching up with me!
It's hard to imagine the current generation of materialistic status seekers as wise and resigned elderly people, but perhaps I am being harsh and time will work its spell on them also.
Anyway, what I'm really trying to get at is that the inevitable winnowing of the elderly from traditional Ireland saddens me greatly.
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Post by cato on Aug 17, 2019 10:55:11 GMT
Well put KJ but I wonder is already too late? I was quite struck during the gay marriage and abortion referenda at seening (some)senior citizens displaying prominent Yes badges and lobbying for radicalism. I have always associated the old with wisdom and common sense.
However as you say we are all getting on. A 70 year old lady or gentleman in 2019 was a child of the flower power free love left wing revolutionary era. I have discovered most hold to their shabby and worn out prejudices even those who have become rich and successful. In most middle class parishes a greying liberal clique run the show . I fear our seniors are almost as decadent as the rest of us except they have less energy and need more spare parts.
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Post by cato on Aug 19, 2019 8:27:11 GMT
I was somewhat amused to see an RTE documentary on the 1969 Derry riots describe the violence as "community riots". Most of those young rioters (some barely teens) are now nearing pension age but few of them rioted as community activists as the social justice types would have us believe. I am expected a Fintan O Toole encyclical any day soon claiming the Battle of the Bogside was all about the reproductive rights of trans immigrants. We all know that's the nonsense Sinn Fein have traded Irish independence and identity for. Soon some useless idiot from one of our former universities will write a tome claiming this.
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Post by assisi on Aug 19, 2019 18:25:32 GMT
I was somewhat amused to see an RTE documentary on the 1969 Derry riots describe the violence as "community riots". Most of those young rioters (some barely teens) are now nearing pension age but few of them rioted as community activists as the social justice types would have us believe. I am expected a Fintan O Toole encyclical any day soon claiming the Battle of the Bogside was all about the reproductive rights of trans immigrants. We all know that's the nonsense Sinn Fein have traded Irish independence and identity for. Soon some useless idiot from one of our former universities will write a tome claiming this. There is a lot of truth in this. I think the early riots of the late 60s were probably the genuine article when the RUC were on the edge of the Bogside, you were risking life and limb. At least in my memory growing up in Derry, during the 70s there was always a riot in William street (a street leading from the city centre to the edge of the Bogside) every Saturday. It was expected and the British Army just parked a few armoured vehicles at the bottom of the street and contained the rioters. Occasionally the army sent out snatch squads to get a few of the ringleaders. But you had to be careful as the rubber bullets (and later plastic bullets) shot by the army could do you a lot of damage. Occasionally during the riot an IRA gunman would let fly with a volley of shots and everyone would dive for cover, there was no mistaking the crackle of automatic fire. The Saturday riot was such a known quantity that I remember telling my Mum and aunt to be careful as they shopped in Wellworths in the square just 30 or 40 metres from the bottom of William Street. I was always afraid it could spill over at any moment. Life just went on amidst it all, although there were often innocents that got injured or killed if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. You are right about Sinn Fein. Apart from the Eamon McCanns and a few other lefties, the people I knew from school who would later be 'involved' didn't have a marxist bone in their body. They were Catholic and Irish. Sinn Fein have, in my opinion, betrayed these people badly and jumped on the globalist bandwagon without a second thought for these people. You are not far off with the ironic remarks about reproductive rights. How would it be possible, one asks, to tie in LGBT issues to a period in the 1960s in Derry when nobody gave a damn about that as they were living in slum houses within an anti-Catholic state? Well the bright sparks of Sinn Fein top brass have obviously sat down and hatched a new narrative and exploited the term 'civil rights' which was the term used in the 1960s for demands for fairer housing, jobs and voting. Now Sinn Fein say that the pursuit of 'civil rights' are still ongoing as N.Ireland doesn't have gay marriage and abortion and they are still the champions. Except that the Catholic mothers of the Bogside, Creggan and Waterside would never have even imagined such things in their wildest dreams, nor would they approve of any of the LGBT nonsense (unless, had they lived longer, maybe 30 or 40 years of BBC and RTE propaganda, emotion and blackmail would have won over some).
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 20, 2019 9:31:10 GMT
You are right about Sinn Fein. Apart from the Eamon McCanns and a few other lefties, the people I knew from school who would later be 'involved' didn't have a marxist bone in their body. They were Catholic and Irish. Sinn Fein have, in my opinion, betrayed these people badly and jumped on the globalist bandwagon without a second thought for these people. Aontaim go h-iomlain, ach ní thuigim cén fath a fós caitheann na daoine seo a votaí ar son Sinn Féin. I completely agree, but I don't know why these people keep voting for Sinn Féin.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 20, 2019 9:40:25 GMT
Sometimes I wonder if the genesis of Irish liberalism lies in the "oppression" narrative of Irish history.
Irish people may not actually have considered themselves the "most oppressed people ever", as revisionists like to taunt. But certainly, the idea of oppression seems to have become utterly central to Irish identity and Irish historiography. Did the victim mentality, as applied to ourselves in relation to the British, become so appealing that we eventually became incapable of rejecting victimology in any form, that we automatically sided with whichever side was painted as the underdog?
I'm not suggesting Irish people weren't oppressed. I just regret that we allowed resentment and the poison of righteous indignation to enter so deeply into our national soul.
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Post by assisi on Aug 20, 2019 11:43:24 GMT
You are right about Sinn Fein. Apart from the Eamon McCanns and a few other lefties, the people I knew from school who would later be 'involved' didn't have a marxist bone in their body. They were Catholic and Irish. Sinn Fein have, in my opinion, betrayed these people badly and jumped on the globalist bandwagon without a second thought for these people. Aontaim go h-iomlain, ach ní thuigim cén fath a fós caitheann na daoine seo a votaí ar son Sinn Féin. I completely agree, but I don't know why these people keep voting for Sinn Féin. One reason is that a fair amount of people are still stuck in the 'green v orange' mindset, that's what they lived through. To the green side they see Sinn Fein as the one to stand up to the DUP (the orange). Another reason is that Sinn Fein are supposed to have a better 'on the ground' presence and are more accessible to people who want welfare problems sorted, streets cleaned, anti-social behaviour stopped etc.
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