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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 25, 2019 13:39:23 GMT
God's curse on you England, you cruel-hearted monster Your deeds they would shame all the devils in Hell.... From "James Connolly". As an ardent anglophile, I am perfectly happy to heartily sing these words! James Connolly in the series 16 Lives is now ordered and on its way by the post. Tragically typical I still have found no time for the other two bought from the series so they are all only on my bucket list for future reading nights. It's a very uneven series. The volume on Joseph Plunkett is particularly poor. To return to the topic, I do very much fear that this sort of rebelliousness-for-the-sake-of-it and oppositionalism is a danger to Irish conservatism, too. It can easily slip into nihilism. Some elements on the Irish right seem to have reached a kind of "burn it all" attitude, completely rejecting all existing institutions and even all moderation in debate. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 25, 2019 13:54:44 GMT
James Connolly in the series 16 Lives is now ordered and on its way by the post. Tragically typical I still have found no time for the other two bought from the series so they are all only on my bucket list for future reading nights. It's a very uneven series. The volume on Joseph Plunkett is particularly poor. To return to the topic, I do very much fear that this sort of rebelliousness-for-the-sake-of-it and oppositionalism is a danger to Irish conservatism, too. It can easily slip into nihilism. Some elements on the Irish right seem to have reached a kind of "burn it all" outlook. Can be dangerous to blame everything on one´s enemies, being reminded we are said to be ultimately our own worst enemies. The whole thing about "good rebels" and "righteous war" turns the mind not only to Irish against British in history. The crushing of the albigensan heretics and also several "counter-rebellions" has left a legacy of question and wonder behind. Despite its worn out tone, could we ask again what Christ would have done? |
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Sept 25, 2019 19:42:54 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 25, 2019 19:42:54 GMT
It can easily slip into nihilism. Some elements on the Irish right seem to have reached a kind of "burn it all" outlook.[/quote]Can be dangerous to blame everything on one´s enemies, being reminded we are said to be ultimately our own worst enemies. The whole thing about "good rebels" and "righteous war" turns the mind not only to Irish against British in history. The crushing of the albigensan heretics and also several "counter-rebellions" has left a legacy of question and wonder behind. Despite its worn out tone, could we ask again what Christ would have done?
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Power can be very dangerous . Lord Actons famous quote about "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is a reminder to modern Irish conservatives why in part we are in such a mess, as society has reacted so radically against the religious nationalist regime in Ireland. For all the overlooked good in the past there was much that was cruel, shameful, unnecessary and deeply unchristian.
Other people now wield power in our land. They too will become intoxicated and grow corrupt. Conservatives still have vices but powerlessness at least spares us the toxic spiritual poison that total power brings.
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Sept 25, 2019 19:50:22 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 25, 2019 19:50:22 GMT
James Connolly in the series 16 Lives is now ordered and on its way by the post. Tragically typical I still have found no time for the other two bought from the series so they are all only on my bucket list for future reading nights.
[/quote]It's a very uneven series. The volume on Joseph Plunkett is particularly poor.
I concur with Maolsheachlann about that series. There was a large amount of publishing around the 1916 centenary anniversary and much was pretty mediocre although there were some notable exceptions . I read quite a bit of the historical literature that appeared at that time and might start a thread on it soon.
I was an undergraduate in 1989 and my history tutor pointed out that there would be a large amount of publishing for the anniversary of the French revolution and then little or nothing as publishers got tired of the topic. The same seems to be happening here.
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Post by Tomas on Sept 27, 2019 6:44:35 GMT
James Connolly in the series 16 Lives is now ordered and on its way by the post. Tragically typical I still have found no time for the other two bought from the series so they are all only on my bucket list for future reading nights. It's a very uneven series. The volume on Joseph Plunkett is particularly poor.
I concur with Maolsheachlann about that series. There was a large amount of publishing around the 1916 centenary anniversary and much was pretty mediocre although there were some notable exceptions . I read quite a bit of the historical literature that appeared at that time and might start a thread on it soon.
I was an undergraduate in 1989 and my history tutor pointed out that there would be a large amount of publishing for the anniversary of the French revolution and then little or nothing as publishers got tired of the topic. The same seems to be happening here. [/quote][/p]
Got most curious about the brickstone-sized scholar book 1000+ pages from Cork University that was published for the centennial. It looked very interesting and had loads of views on historical figures from the whole range of nationalist Ireland (from what summaries etc said about it). But to afford such a book, and that means especially postage and packing fees for a couple of kilos, it was out of the question. There would be no time to read it, that´s the worst and bitter truth when it comes to various great books nowadays.
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Sept 27, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 27, 2019 11:21:13 GMT
Got most curious about the brickstone-sized scholar book 1000+ pages from Cork University that was published for the centennial. It looked very interesting and had loads of views on historical figures from the whole range of nationalist Ireland (from what summaries etc said about it). But to afford such a book, and that means especially postage and packing fees for a couple of kilos, it was out of the question. There would be no time to read it, that´s the worst and bitter truth when it comes to various great books nowadays.[b
If you were to buy only one book I would buy it. It is huge but it is a masterpiece of scholarship, scope and covers almost everything releventto the topic. The maps are fascinating but despite being called an atlas there are many articles photos (many never before printed) It's more an encylopedia than a traditional atlas. It is pricey but it is value for money as it covers more material than half a dozen similar volumns.
You mentioned the main drawback. It is so big it might end up like the bible or the collected works of Shakespeare - gathering dust. My copy has been sadly neglected for some months now but I intend to spend a quiet weekend at home soon giving it more attention.][/p]
Cork University Press have also published similar tomes on the great Famine and the history and culture of Cork and Donegal.[/quote]
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