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Post by John Calvin on Jan 26, 2020 1:41:23 GMT
Ireland should embrace the doctrines of the Reformation, which the Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin dug up out of the Bible that was hidden under the dust for many centuries. The Early Church Fathers, like Augustine for example, were a huge inspiration to the Reformers.
Isn't it about time we uncover what the Bible ACTUALLY teaches about Christianity?
Debate.
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Post by Séamus on Jan 26, 2020 7:53:01 GMT
Ireland should embrace the doctrines of the Reformation, which the Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin dug up out of the Bible that was hidden under the dust for many centuries. The Early Church Fathers, like Augustine for example, were a huge inspiration to the Reformers. Isn't it about time we uncover what the Bible ACTUALLY teaches about Christianity? Debate. Early Irish monasticism held the sacred Scriptures in great reverence as the illuminated ceremonial versions created on long-lasting vellum folios reflect. I'm not sure how widely Latin was spoken in Ireland at the time,but Gospel books like Kells were written for large monastic towns,which would certainly have used Latin as a common or semi-common language. Something I read by Cardinal O'Fiaich recently mentioned that,due to the ravages of history,there are more extant copies of ancient Celtic manuscripts of this sort in largely-Protestant Switzerland today (writing in the 1970s) than in Ireland, Scotland or Wales. |
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Post by cato on Jan 26, 2020 14:02:43 GMT
Ireland should embrace the doctrines of the Reformation, which the Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin dug up out of the Bible that was hidden under the dust for many centuries. The Early Church Fathers, like Augustine for example, were a huge inspiration to the Reformers. Isn't it about time we uncover what the Bible ACTUALLY teaches about Christianity? Debate. Which version John of the "doctrines of the Reformation" should we embrace? There are several thousand churches/kirks/assemblies/congregations offering versions of what "the bible ACTUALLY teaches about Christianity" . Discuss. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 27, 2020 10:21:11 GMT
Ireland should embrace the doctrines of the Reformation, which the Reformers like Martin Luther and John Calvin dug up out of the Bible that was hidden under the dust for many centuries. The Early Church Fathers, like Augustine for example, were a huge inspiration to the Reformers. Isn't it about time we uncover what the Bible ACTUALLY teaches about Christianity? Debate. I have the utmost respect for my Protestant brothers and sisters, and if Ireland embraced the doctrines of the Reformation en masse, I would at least be happy that it was Christian rather than secular (as it is now). However, I've never doubted myself that the Catholic Church is the true Church. Protestants base their faith on the Bible, but where did the Bible come from? Indeed, the earliest Christians had no Bible. Besides, as Cato mentions above, there have been any number of disagreements on the interpretation of the Bible, so an authority is required. And our Lord's promise to St. Peter suggests that is the Catholic Church. As St. Augustine himself wrote: "I should not believe the gospel except as moved by the authority of the Catholic Church." |
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Post by cato on Jan 27, 2020 14:26:01 GMT
St Augustine who lived at a time of great social, military and political upheaval is a man with a lot to offer all Christian believers today. Much of liberal Christianity may be well meaning but endless accommodation to secularism has not succeeded anywhere in stopping the catastrophic collapse in Christian practice. The almost exclusively clerical obsession within Catholicism about the fall in clergy numbers avoids the equally important decline in the numbers of laity. It could be argued the fall in practice among the laity is more important as that is where future priests and religious will come from. This is a curious form of clericalism.
I hope to reread Augustine's Confessions for Lent this year and to tackle his City of God later. He was a man with intense love for God , a God he found in the Holy Scriptures and living in his church. A spiritual giant.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 27, 2020 14:38:22 GMT
St Augustine who lived at a time of great social, military and political upheaval is a man with a lot to offer all Christian believers today. Much of liberal Christianity may be well meaning but endless accommodation to secularism has not succeeded anywhere in stopping the catastrophic collapse in Christian practice. The almost exclusively clerical obsession within Catholicism about the fall in clergy numbers avoids the equally important decline in the numbers of laity. It could be argued the fall in practice among the laity is more important as that is where future priests and religious will come from. This is a curious form of clericalism. I hope to reread Augustine's Confessions for Lent this year and to tackle his City of God later. He was a man with intense love for God , a God he found in the Holy Scriptures and living in his church. A spiritual giant. I've read the Confessions, but in all honesty, I don't think I'm ever going to read The City of God. |
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Post by cato on Jan 27, 2020 15:21:13 GMT
St Augustine who lived at a time of great social, military and political upheaval is a man with a lot to offer all Christian believers today. Much of liberal Christianity may be well meaning but endless accommodation to secularism has not succeeded anywhere in stopping the catastrophic collapse in Christian practice. The almost exclusively clerical obsession within Catholicism about the fall in clergy numbers avoids the equally important decline in the numbers of laity. It could be argued the fall in practice among the laity is more important as that is where future priests and religious will come from. This is a curious form of clericalism. I hope to reread Augustine's Confessions for Lent this year and to tackle his City of God later. He was a man with intense love for God , a God he found in the Holy Scriptures and living in his church. A spiritual giant. I've read the Confessions, but in all honesty, I don't think I'm ever going to read The City of God. I read chunks of it in the 1990s. It's a lot more accessible than the Summa Theologica or many secular philosophical works. |
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