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Post by cato on Oct 21, 2020 20:34:29 GMT
I guess he really can't help himself. Papal apologists will have their work cut out this time after a blessed relative silence on controversial matters to explain away Pope Francis announcing in a documentary that he favours civil unions for gay couples.
As an Argentinian bishop Francis backed civil unions as a way of preserving traditional marriage. The world has moved on and most people don't , won't Or can't get the distinction he imagines he is defending. To claim gays have a right to a family but to deny them sexual expression is completely insane. I suspect it's really pastoral nudge nudge wink wink..... Read between the lines.
I am perfectly aware this is not infallible papal teaching but how many of the good faithful do? And after a papacy where he has blurred the scope and exercise of formal papal teaching I suspect many clergy will not grasp this either.
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Post by Tomas on Oct 22, 2020 5:57:07 GMT
It´s opportune times, apparently. Nothing wrong in making everbody gaily. The merciful gowans are not mean but gay!
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 22, 2020 7:18:57 GMT
It had to happen when I was engaging in some "interreligious dialogue" with a conservative Protestant. This is who I heard it from.
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Post by assisi on Oct 22, 2020 11:13:54 GMT
I can't really defend the man any longer. The contradictions and soft focus morality cannot be accidental after so many years and so many occasions.
I feel that Pope Francis views faithful Catholics as Christ viewed the Pharisees. I honestly think his natural inclinations are with liberal values and those agendas pushed by liberals, which are almost totally devoid of Christianity, indeed they are virulently hostile to it.
I don't think he likes faithful or pious Catholics.
The film is supposed to show the approach of Pope Francis to pressing social issues, and to pastoral ministry among those who live, in the words of the pontiff, “on the existential peripheries.” Well many Catholics in China, Africa and increasingly so in the West, are in the margins and things are getting worse. They are burning down Churches in Chile, the U.S. and many parts of France.
In trying times like now we need men and women of backbone to state the truth and inspire Catholics in their faith. Not deflate them sneakily by way of a movie.
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Post by kj on Oct 22, 2020 14:08:57 GMT
Regardless of what the Pope "really" meant, whether it was deliberate or accidental ambiguity, and regardless of any "clarification" that may follow, it is the first impression that will remain: the Pope has no problem with homosexuality.
I see that Mary McAleese is thrilled with the news. I must confess to developing an uncharitable dislike of that woman: I've rarely seen a more pompous and self-righteous person in the public eye lately, and that's saying a lot given the times we live in.
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Post by Séamus on Oct 24, 2020 11:40:02 GMT
It had to happen when I was engaging in some "interreligious dialogue" with a conservative Protestant. This is who I heard it from. Possibly the only way they'd interest people in seeing the damn film. Unhelpful to say the least, but it may eventually go the way of Benedict's hypothetical musing on whether a male prostitute is less disordered by using a condom or John Paul II's philosophical questioning of any punishment in the afterlife in Crossing the Threshold, somehow influenced by,of all things, WWII concentration camps. Conservatives will trod on regardless, others were unlikely to keep holding orthodox opinion anyway. Devout Catholics and others who are nevertheless bound to deal with same-sex situations in courtrooms,real estate,deceased estates,etc may agree or at least understand the pontiff to some extent. Two of the most well known and popular homosexuals of modern times, Freddie Mercury and George Michael made highly controversial wills,Mr Michael's partner eventually getting manhandled off the star's property. The extraordinary form today marks the feast of St Raphael the Archangel and,while Mr Maolsheachlann's friend may not accept the Book of Tobit,it's worth meditating on the image of Raguel and his wife agonisingly digging a grave for Tobias jnr, totally despairing of any normality after a complete implosion of their family,which can also symbolise a broader implosion of Israel, politically and religiously. And yet we can take a message of hope in the fact that,at some stage, we'll find the demon of confusion dispelled and the future, personified by the young groom,very much breathing. |
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Post by Tomas on Oct 25, 2020 11:27:57 GMT
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Post by Tomas on Oct 25, 2020 11:36:26 GMT
Devout Catholics and others who are nevertheless bound to deal with same-sex situations in courtrooms,real estate,deceased estates,etc may agree or at least understand the pontiff to some extent. That´s a relevant point! (Hope your hopes for a brighter tomorrow soon will prove relevant as well.) |
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