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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 3, 2017 16:55:24 GMT
I've always thought that with Libertas we had our chance but we screwed up. Is it possible that the first time round he was too early, but that there could be a second time?
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Post by cato on Jul 3, 2017 18:59:05 GMT
It is very difficult for a new party to take off in Ireland due to funding rules which favour existing parties.
A stand alone pro life party wont get votes unfortunately but a broader based euro sceptic party with an economic programme aimed at reforming the health service , Gardai and providing proper social housing etc might .Such a party would also need to have local representatives working for local bread and butter issues. This is an unfortunate necessity in Irish political life.
A small party can change the political atmosphere too without winning a majority of seats. The PD party made economic and social liberalism possible for good or for ill. Paul Murphy and his imps helped to get us the most expensive free water in the world and panicked Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail into jumping onto their shiny red free water wagon . A small conservative party would hopefully embolden fellow travellers in the two main parties... we can only wish!
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Post by angelo on Jul 3, 2017 22:23:58 GMT
Imagine RENUA lead by Ganley and joined by Ronan Mullen and others. I think there is a relevant section of the political spectrum that is underepresented. Remember that 38% voted against same-sex 'marriage' and almost nobody represent them. A clever politician shouldn't simply search for consensus but rather should give representation to what is already there, waiting. Ganley failed in the past but he still has the charisma of a leader. Is this the right time for different conservative forces to join together? I believe so.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 3, 2017 22:42:17 GMT
Imagine RENUA lead by Ganley and joined by Ronan Mullen and others. I think there is a relevant section of the political spectrum that is underepresented. Remember that 38% voted against same-sex 'marriage' and almost nobody represent them. A clever politician shouldn't simply search for consensus but rather should give representation to what is already there, waiting. Ganley failed in the past but he still has the charisma of a leader. Is this the right time for different conservative forces to join together? I believe so. Yes. I have always felt that it was Ireland that failed, not Ganley. I hope you are correct. Trump and Bannon's hostile takeover of the Republic party has roots going back many years, most recently in the Tea Party movement, which after the 2012 elections most deemed a failure. The discontent embodied in the Tea Party movement spent a long time in the hopper. It was suppressed but never extinguished, and finally took on a trajectory few would have anticipated when it evolved into Bannonism/Trumpism.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 3, 2017 22:44:39 GMT
And don't forget Pat Buchanan.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 3, 2017 22:45:50 GMT
And don't forget Pat Buchanan. Absolutely. A true Irish-American hero.
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Post by cato on Jul 6, 2017 22:31:10 GMT
Rather than start from scratch why not do what the US tea party and momentum in the British labour party have done?
There is nothing inevitable about the future direction of Fianna Fail for example. The majority of the parliamentary party is still pro life in spite of its' leader and most of their modernising spokespeople. Writing off the biggest pro life poltical bloc seems short sighted.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 6, 2017 22:56:21 GMT
Rather than start from scratch why not do what the US tea party and momentum in the British labour party have done? There is nothing inevitable about the future direction of Fianna Fail for example. The majority of the parliamentary party is still pro life in spite of its' leader and most of their modernising spokespeople. Writing off the biggest pro life poltical bloc seems short sighted. I agree. The Republican Party under Trump's leadership looks nothing like the neoliberal, libertarian party under Bush that alienated so much of the Republican base (including myself). It showed that quick turnaround is possible with powerful leadership and great resolve, where people actually draw a line in the sand and say, "Things have gone too far. There are ideals to live for that are more powerful and more important than $$$$. We need to save our country." So it would take a small group of highly capable and committed people to get behind a leader of intelligence, vision, and charisma. To me, Ganley has that kind of appeal because - unlike 99% of Ireland's wealthy - he understands where this country is headed and is rooted in something higher than $$$ - his Catholic faith. Like Trump, he is a capable executive and not a politician. Again, going back to Trump - it was an odd rainbow coalition that came together to defeat the Clinton machine. Contrary to what the Fake News media portray, Trump's support base is quite diverse, with one single unifying factor - nationalism/anti-globalism. This coalition prevailed because they kept it simple. The same thing could be done here, with anti-abortion as the single unifying factor. The stumbling block for Ireland is a demographic one in that, unlike America, the Irish economy has prospered greatly under globalism overall. The number of Irish people suffering is still small relative to the number who live in affluence. Apathy tends to prevail when times are so good.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 7, 2017 10:04:00 GMT
This is a relevant piece on President Trump's speech yesterday in Poland: ...What Trump is saying is that the future of the liberal democratic West depends on the non-liberal-democratic institutions from which we derive our values: family and faith. "We can have the largest economies and the most lethal weapons anywhere on Earth, but if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive." Nor will we survive if we neglect the non-liberal-democratic institutions that enforce liberal-democratic values: the military and police.
Trump doesn't just want victory over ISIS. What he is calling for is nothing less than a reinvigoration of national spirit, of confidence, of pride in America and her allies. "Our own fight for the West does not begin on the battlefield—it begins with our minds, our wills, and our souls."READ MORE.... freebeacon.com/columns/president-trumps-remarkable-warsaw-speech/
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on Jul 7, 2017 10:15:32 GMT
An interesting 'degrees of separation' thing about Declan Ganley - he's good friends with Eric Weinstein (the brother of Bret Weinstein of recent notoriety). Eric Weinstein is the managing director of Peter Thiel's Thiel Capital.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 7, 2017 20:36:42 GMT
I agree with Stephen that this was the highlight of President Trump's speech in Poland:
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Post by cato on Jul 9, 2017 17:45:10 GMT
Councillor Jennifer Whitmore of the Irish Social democrats and wannabe TD speaking about Fianna Fail - Why would I want to go into a party that is not pro choice?
What a loss for the soldiers of destiny! Still she pointed out the simple fact Fianna Fail is still largely pro life. That is something positive and to have at least one major party on side ,albeit largely unethusiastic to date shows the battle to preserve the 8th can be won .To win a campaign you need a political machine or those who know how to run one.
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Post by MourningIreland on Sept 22, 2017 20:10:53 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 23, 2017 9:29:25 GMT
The baton seems to be handed onto a new generation.
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