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Post by cato on Sept 27, 2021 12:24:15 GMT
Following on from a comment by Seamus I am starting a thread on Free Masons.
They seem to have been traditionally an object of suspicion by those on the right. What do people think?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 28, 2021 9:11:15 GMT
Following on from a comment by Seamus I am starting a thread on Free Masons. They seem to have been traditionally an object of suspicion by those on the right. What do people think? I have little to contribute to this thread but I'm interested to hear what others think. My suspicion is that, although the Freemasons have certainly been actively hostile to Christianity historically, there is a lot of exaggeration on the Christian right. Since Traditionalists were always urging me to try the Latin Mass, I did go to the Latin Mass in St. Kevin's in Harrington Street a few times, back in 2017. I remember the priest confidently stating that Lenin was a Freemason. I sought evidence for this afterwards and couldn't find it anywhere. From what I've read of Lenin, he was too much of a rationalist to have any time for even the quasi-religious trappings of Freemasonry. I remember, in a Church Militant video, Michael Voris stating it as fact that Freemasons had been behind the French, Russian and other Revolutions. Perhaps they played a part but I doubt somehow it was the dominant part. I may be wrong about that. I view Masonry negatively on the whole, and I think its social effect has been sinister, but I wonder if it has really been as influential as it's made out to be. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 28, 2021 20:42:56 GMT
Following on from a comment by Seamus I am starting a thread on Free Masons. They seem to have been traditionally an object of suspicion by those on the right. What do people think? I have little to contribute to this thread but I'm interested to hear what others think. My suspicion is that, although the Freemasons have certainly been actively hostile to Christianity historically, there is a lot of exaggeration on the Christian right. Since Traditionalists were always urging me to try the Latin Mass, I did go to the Latin Mass in St. Kevin's in Harrington Street a few times, back in 2017. I remember the priest confidently stating that Lenin was a Freemason. I sought evidence for this afterwards and couldn't find it anywhere. From what I've read of Lenin, he was too much of a rationalist to have any time for even the quasi-religious trappings of Freemasonry. I remember, in a Church Militant video, Michael Voris stating it as fact that Freemasons had been behind the French, Russian and other Revolutions. Perhaps they played a part but I doubt somehow it was the dominant part. I may be wrong about that. I view Masonry negatively on the whole, and I think its social effect has been sinister, but I wonder if it has really been as influential as it's made out to be. May be true that Catholics often exaggerate in polemic talks but my basic view on this dark thing is that it is really not harmless. History has shown so much and the burden of proof should not lie entirely on humble critics either. Whether they were instrumental in French revolution and Italian overtake of the Papal States nearly hundred years later - among other more or less macabre coups in post reformation times - does not strike as controversial on the whole. I may be wrong as always of course but since nothing can be proved foul proof it ends with only open questions besides a varied degree of suspicion. Historical moves are complex. Even today, it is very hard indeed to "prove" how satanic forces do work behind the scenes. Masons may well be much involved in the NWO pushes right now through the virus vaccines digital economy transformation and the rest. But complex as grand strategic worldwide things by this nature are, we just have to speculate. At best only incidents can be described. Last example of that kind perhaps when the news about Masonic judges against Dreyfuss Cardinal Pell in the first court came through in the press. Those in power then and there, that had him a prison sentence though innocent, would have held a gruesome attitude against him according to their involvement presumably (Supreme Court had not those players in majority so it saved truth to prevail after the false judgement). |
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Post by cato on Sept 28, 2021 22:05:17 GMT
I tend to be a bit dismissive of the grand masonic agenda as a historical explanation as Tomas mentions above but I agree its foolish to eliminate the possibility of organised secret conspiracies altogether.
The Italian P2 masonic Lodge was involved in an incredible amount of skulduggery in Italian society and finance . It would be naive to imagine Italy is unique.
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Post by Tomas on Sept 29, 2021 10:29:18 GMT
I tend to be a bit dismissive of the grand masonic agenda as a historical explanation as Tomas mentions above but I agree its foolish to eliminate the possibility of organised secret conspiracies altogether. The Italian P2 masonic Lodge was involved in an incredible amount of skulduggery in Italian society and finance . It would be naive to imagine Italy is unique. They are never the only contender on the world scene so naturally such widest schemes must get hindered. That's why the standard response goes thus, "look they didn't take over all, it was only silly rumours, the Spectre of James Bond is not for real!" Doesn't make the dangerous parts of it less real, as far as they penetrate. When (or if) first rate police agencies actually investigate thoroughly, as they did on P2 due to importance, they probably also find more than just the broad benevolent humanism or Donald Duck charities in some of their cells. And on occasion sinister chains along. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 29, 2021 10:55:27 GMT
One guess in regard to grand conspiracy etc (basically nonsensical for any serious historian) is this, simple: that they mostly wants to embrace each other and be "free" to develop in "mysteries" as they like, plus gain money and enjoy themselves in pleasures and so on, and have not much interest in any attempt to grab totalitarian power?
It seems the dislike to Christianity has been closely related to Protestant heresy in claiming the individualist right to not care for Church authority at all (only exceptions for show or pomp?) and therefore as a rule more or less intensely hate receiving any reprimand on the subject of sins from Church quarters. In that sense the crisis of our times actually does have the Masonic impregnation to it. You do not have to state any clumsy lines of Taylor Marshall to test a century-old Catholic explanation as the one named infiltration. Pope Leo XIII and Pope Pius X were not stupid uninformed Facebook chatmen, but deadly serious in their address to a major acute problem.
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Post by Tomas on Sept 29, 2021 11:19:27 GMT
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Post by cato on Sept 29, 2021 11:50:09 GMT
A special gold ✨star to Tomas for inclusive language and trans awareness 💜. |
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Post by Tomas on Sept 29, 2021 15:51:20 GMT
A special gold ✨star to Tomas for inclusive language and trans awareness 💜. No shadows over her! 🙌 Only blame on me (or whatever they condition "me" to feel I am/was!??) This is a straight piece of overview by a straight - presumably - woman, apparently in awareness of some basic facts! 😅 |
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Post by Stephen on Oct 11, 2021 12:45:12 GMT
No need for the mason anymore, most westerns think with a Masonic worldview these days.
Dare I say some comments on this forum.
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Post by cato on Oct 11, 2021 12:58:25 GMT
No need for the mason anymore, most westerns think with a Masonic worldview these days. Dare I say some comments on this forum. Fire away Stephen. I agree with your first point. There's no need for a masonic conspiracy when the vast bulk of people have a certain progressive view of life. Perhaps getting us to this point was the whole masonic agenda? |
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Post by Stephen on Oct 11, 2021 13:49:50 GMT
No need for the mason anymore, most westerns think with a Masonic worldview these days. Dare I say some comments on this forum. Fire away Stephen. I agree with your first point. There's no need for a masonic conspiracy when the vast bulk of people have a certain progressive view of life. Perhaps getting us to this point was the whole masonic agenda? A lot of conservatives today and some on this group 20 or 100 years ago would definitely be seen as sitting on the left side of the house. |
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