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Post by Stephen on Feb 7, 2022 13:30:29 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 8, 2022 11:51:25 GMT
I wholeheartedly support them! Nobody should be forced to take a vaccine to make a living. It's great to see a genuine working-class uprising.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 8, 2022 16:03:42 GMT
I wholeheartedly support them! Nobody should be forced to take a vaccine to make a living. It's great to see a genuine working-class uprising. Its about time we can agree on something.  |
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Post by Tomas on Feb 8, 2022 18:08:50 GMT
Wonderful thing! I have friends in Canada who posted early on, with a genuine sense of relief and joy. This is a popular expression of the obvious.
Yesterday another trail were with horses and their carriages. Pure solidarity and most definitely NOT to be mocked as Rigidity or called by any other names in demeaning "ruler techniques" (don´t know the English word but the direct translation is about this!).
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Post by Antaine on Feb 8, 2022 19:39:29 GMT
So it seems some Canadian politicians are now slandering the protesters as insurrectionists and terrorists.
Hmm, that sounds oddly familiar.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 8, 2022 20:31:15 GMT
I'm actually getting very angry about the media and internet narrative on this. The bias is incredible. It feels like we are living in Soviet Russia sometimes.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 8, 2022 20:47:39 GMT
I'm actually getting very angry about the media and internet narrative on this. The bias is incredible. It feels like we are living in Soviet Russia sometimes. Welcome to the fourth industrial revolution! |
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Post by Séamus on Feb 9, 2022 9:32:37 GMT
Who is John Galt?
Occasionally I do worry about the attitude of both sides- it goes without saying that the forcing of newly developed,(for many) ethically questionable and (for many parts of the world) probably unnecessary vaccines by governments is draconian,but I do try keep in mind also that earlier generations throughout the World experienced food rationing,curfews,war service and,of course, conscription. Vaccines are one thing, but when I see,particularly young people,refuse to even wear masks during periods when governments mandate them,I do find myself questioning whether we've become a bit too entitled to our own way in everything?
The Irish bishops did at least call for stronger ethics in vaccine development,while American hierarchy ranked the covid Jabs by ethical standards (strange how Johnson and Johnson is ranked unethical by people of all ideologies,but it never seems to dent the conglomerate). While it will make little difference, at least this keeps debate alive.
It's impossible to estimate where we would be if we refused any developments that weren't squeaky clean- dead bodies of the executed and those of prostitutes found dead in Renaissance streets all contributed to today's medicine,as did bodies robbed from graves in the Victorian era. Imagine telling anyone today about the legend of Sts Cosmas and Damian- taking a slave's leg off and transplanting it on his master! (the much-hyped-as-progressive Renaissance artists painted the- dead or alive?- slave as sub-Saharan African, probably historically inaccurate for a Asian-Minor slave of the day).
Of course the big difference is that embryonic stem cells come from an INNOCENT life taken and any use for development and testing should be enough reason for conscientious objection, without the million-and-one other reasons.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 9, 2022 10:04:43 GMT
To me, the burning issue is not so much the vaccine mandate itself (although I am opposed to that) as the media campaign against the truckers and the one-sidedness of coverage. It's truly frightening that, in our internet age, public discussion can be so easily controlled.
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Post by kj on Feb 9, 2022 10:14:29 GMT
I am 100% with the truckers. I appreciate having constantly blaring horns is a pain for a lot of residents, but alas....
The narrative the media is peddling is a disgrace. All the insinuations of them being Nazis, KKK, etc etc.
Anyway, the media had me convinced before that Canada was a hopelessly cucked country, with no hope for. This whole thing has cheered me up!
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Post by hilary on Feb 9, 2022 13:43:11 GMT
Vaccines are one thing, but when I see,particularly young people,refuse to even wear masks during periods when governments mandate them,I do find myself questioning whether we've become a bit too entitled to our own way in everything? That's government overreach though, and an abuse of our right to bodily integrity. The checks and balances that are supposed to protect us from sliding into tyranny are so far proving ineffective or at least very slow to act. The Oireachtas Health Committee when it hosts NPHET, for example, is mostly timid and obsequious. The format of the meetings and the approach of most of the Deputies and Senators allow NPHET to go on and on with no cross-examination or interrogation of their presentations. You wouldn't think we are all paying their salaries. The Kildare Street website gives transcripts of the Committee meetings - much easier than watching on Oireachtas TV. Dr. Ronan Glynn quoted some US data to back up his goal to get everyone boosted: "We have to take every opportunity we can to reiterate the importance of being boosted. It is very clear from data from the US that the risk of infection among unvaccinated adults, by comparison with those who have been boosted, is five times higher. Their risk of death is 50 times higher. We are aware that the risk of infection from Omicron among those who are boosted is approximately 50% lower, and they are 90% to 95% protected against severe disease, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, boosting really does have a significant impact in protecting people from severe illness. While our uptake of boosters is excellent overall, there are pockets of people who, for whatever reason, have not yet come forward, but of course it is not too late. We encourage everyone to come forward in the weeks ahead to get themselves protected." and then he says later (speaking about long Covid) "... in general terms, the duration of symptoms people experience seems to be associated with their level of health before they got Covid and the extent to which they had mild, moderate or severe Covid." He is acknowledging here that prior good health and mild Covid are part of the reality but when he is speaking about boosters he ignores that. Why would that be? I went looking for the US data quoted above on the CDC website but found this first: "The body of evidence for infection-induced immunity is more limited than that for vaccine-induced immunity in terms of the quality of evidence (e.g., probable bias towards symptomatic or medically-attended infections) and types of studies (e.g., observational cohort studies, mostly retrospective versus a mix of randomized controlled trials, case-control studies, and cohort studies for vaccine-induced immunity). There are insufficient data to extend the findings related to infection-induced immunity at this time to persons with very mild or asymptomatic infection or children." What this means to me is that people who get sick and get better (or even have no symptoms) are not included in the data and again Dr. Glynn does not point this out to the Committee. |
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Post by Tomas on Feb 9, 2022 21:22:59 GMT
The Massive (and repeatedly not so subtle) machinery to force all into this hellish system, phase by phase, is built on lies and seductive fear-mongering evil. Nothing helps apart from prayer and, sometimes, calling out loud. Every effort to take the people "selling" it seriously, distorts the positive health within of the weaker among us. Yet there is no other way than to remain determined resist it.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 9, 2022 22:53:38 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Feb 11, 2022 8:13:13 GMT
Vaccines are one thing, but when I see,particularly young people,refuse to even wear masks during periods when governments mandate them,I do find myself questioning whether we've become a bit too entitled to our own way in everything? That's government overreach though, and an abuse of our right to bodily integrity. The checks and balances that are supposed to protect us from sliding into tyranny are so far proving ineffective or at least very slow to act. The Oireachtas Health Committee when it hosts NPHET, for example, is mostly timid and obsequious. The format of the meetings and the approach of most of the Deputies and Senators allow NPHET to go on and on with no cross-examination or interrogation of their presentations. You wouldn't think we are all paying their salaries. The Kildare Street website gives transcripts of the Committee meetings - much easier than watching on Oireachtas TV. Dr. Ronan Glynn quoted some US data to back up his goal to get everyone boosted: "We have to take every opportunity we can to reiterate the importance of being boosted. It is very clear from data from the US that the risk of infection among unvaccinated adults, by comparison with those who have been boosted, is five times higher. Their risk of death is 50 times higher. We are aware that the risk of infection from Omicron among those who are boosted is approximately 50% lower, and they are 90% to 95% protected against severe disease, hospitalisation and death. Therefore, boosting really does have a significant impact in protecting people from severe illness. While our uptake of boosters is excellent overall, there are pockets of people who, for whatever reason, have not yet come forward, but of course it is not too late. We encourage everyone to come forward in the weeks ahead to get themselves protected." and then he says later (speaking about long Covid) "... in general terms, the duration of symptoms people experience seems to be associated with their level of health before they got Covid and the extent to which they had mild, moderate or severe Covid." He is acknowledging here that prior good health and mild Covid are part of the reality but when he is speaking about boosters he ignores that. Why would that be? I went looking for the US data quoted above on the CDC website but found this first: "The body of evidence for infection-induced immunity is more limited than that for vaccine-induced immunity in terms of the quality of evidence (e.g., probable bias towards symptomatic or medically-attended infections) and types of studies (e.g., observational cohort studies, mostly retrospective versus a mix of randomized controlled trials, case-control studies, and cohort studies for vaccine-induced immunity). There are insufficient data to extend the findings related to infection-induced immunity at this time to persons with very mild or asymptomatic infection or children." What this means to me is that people who get sick and get better (or even have no symptoms) are not included in the data and again Dr. Glynn does not point this out to the Committee. I recognise that it isn't another world war, perhaps that's why the Vatican's statements on vaccinations has seemed pathetic to many- it seems to often surmise that we're all in danger of being be wiped out, which was never the case for the healthy majority. But it does make you wonder how cooperatively people's response would be if we were faced with a real worldwide tragedy such as the Second World War, with all the blockades etc that went with it. |
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Post by cato on Feb 11, 2022 13:43:30 GMT
But it does make you wonder how cooperatively people's response would be if we were faced with a real worldwide tragedy such as the Second World War, with all the blockades etc that went with it.[/quote]
We are definitely as a society softer and less tougher/resilient. Had we been around a century ago with our current fear of death during the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic we probably would have cancelled the independence struggle on advice from NPHET.
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