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Post by cato on Feb 9, 2022 17:03:17 GMT
Does anyone know what Beneplentism is? Apparently it's a thing in rad trad American circles but I can't get a definition anywhere.
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Post by cato on Feb 9, 2022 17:50:50 GMT
Taylor Marshall (no less) told me it means those who think Benedict fills the papacy not Francis.
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Post by Tomas on Feb 9, 2022 21:33:42 GMT
Taylor Marshall (no less) told me it means those who think Benedict fills the papacy not Francis. Only time will tell? |
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Post by cato on Feb 10, 2022 11:47:51 GMT
Taylor Marshall (no less) told me it means those who think Benedict fills the papacy not Francis. Only time will tell? I think it's nuts. Benedict did resign . Francis is the legitimate pope for better or for worse. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 10, 2022 11:49:24 GMT
I think it's crazy too, but I do like that a word exists for it!
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Post by cato on Feb 10, 2022 11:56:49 GMT
I think it's crazy too, but I do like that a word exists for it! Indeed. Some poor soul went to the bother of coining a word "proving" or "stating" 1) Francis is not really pope 2) The entire college of cardinals didn't realise this when they mistakenly elected him 3) Benedict doesn't realise he is still pope. 🤔 |
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A dubium
Feb 10, 2022 21:40:43 GMT
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Post by cato on Feb 10, 2022 21:40:43 GMT
I think Dr Taylor Marshall has claimed pope Francis is now a heretic. I haven't watched the video yet so am not sure what exact remarks merited this excommunication.
He has asked for people to pray a Hail Mary for him.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 10, 2022 22:06:24 GMT
I think Dr Taylor Marshall has claimed pope Francis is now a heretic. I haven't watched the video yet so am not sure what exact remarks merited this excommunication. He has asked for people to pray a Hail Mary for him. It was only a matter of time... |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2022 10:53:32 GMT
I think Dr Taylor Marshall has claimed pope Francis is now a heretic. I haven't watched the video yet so am not sure what exact remarks merited this excommunication. He has asked for people to pray a Hail Mary for him. Pope Francis taught error! This is fact! My understanding is Dr Marshall position is recognize, call out and resist. He has stated he has no authority to judge him as a layman. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 18, 2022 11:22:14 GMT
I think Dr Taylor Marshall has claimed pope Francis is now a heretic. I haven't watched the video yet so am not sure what exact remarks merited this excommunication. He has asked for people to pray a Hail Mary for him. Pope Francis taught error! This is fact! My understanding is Dr Marshall position is recognize, call out and resist. He has stated he has no authority to judge him as a layman. What error do you think he has taught? |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2022 12:10:01 GMT
Pope Francis taught error! This is fact! My understanding is Dr Marshall position is recognize, call out and resist. He has stated he has no authority to judge him as a layman. What error do you think he has taught? Wednesday, 2 February 2022 "The communion of saints is precisely the Church, what does this mean? That the Church is reserved for the perfect? No. It means that it is the community of saved sinners,” the Church is the community of saved sinners. That’s a beautiful definition. No one can exclude himself from the Church, we are all saved sinners.” “Father, let us think of those who have denied the faith, who are apostates, who are the persecutors of the Church, who have denied their baptism: are these also at home?’,” he asked. “Yes, even these, even the blasphemers, all of them. We are brothers: this is the communion of saints. The communion of saints holds together the community of believers on earth and in heaven.” www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audiences/2022/documents/20220202-udienza-generale.htmlChurch TeachingIn his 1943 encyclical, Mystici corporis Christi, Pope Pius XII teaches that “only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed.”GENERAL AUDIENCE |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 18, 2022 12:36:31 GMT
First of all, considering there is such a tendency to limit Papal infallibility today-- especially among the critics of Pope Francis-- we should note that encylicals are not, in fact, infallible teaching. Let's also note what the Catechism says: "What is the Church if not the assembly of all the saints? The communion of saints is the Church." It draws a distinction between "communion in holy things" (spiritual goods) and "communion in holy persons". Everybody who is baptised and living (but not the damned) belongs to the former communion and is therefore a part of the communion of saints. This blog post from Where Peter Is goes into much greater depth, including the use of pre-Vatican II sources (since, unfortunately, I expect post-Vatican II sources to be challenged). But I fear that all the explication in the world will not convince many of the Pope's critics, who now seem to WANT to believe he is a heretic or at least in error. There's a lot of things I don't like very much about this pontificate, but I think we should be very slow to judge a Pope is in error and, at the very least, should interpret his words charitably. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2022 12:51:33 GMT
First of all, considering there is such a tendency to limit Papal infallibility today-- especially among the critics of Pope Francis-- we should note that encylicals are not, in fact, infallible teaching. Let's also note what the Catechism says: "What is the Church if not the assembly of all the saints? The communion of saints is the Church." It draws a distinction between "communion in holy things" (spiritual goods) and "communion in holy persons". Everybody who is baptised and living (but not the damned) belongs to the former communion and is therefore a part of the communion of saints. This blog post from Where Peter Is goes into much greater depth, including the use of pre-Vatican II sources (since, unfortunately, I expect post-Vatican II sources to be challenged). But I fear that all the explication in the world will not convince many of the Pope's critics, who now seem to WANT to believe he is a heretic or at least in error. There's a lot of things I don't like very much about this pontificate, but I think we should be very slow to judge a Pope is in error and, at the very least, should interpret his words charitably. Ill read your article, I'm only saying what I privately think and hope I'm wrong. I would not be making public statements like Dr Marshall or Patrick. What is the Church?" those who are called by faith to the light of truth and the knowledge of God, that, having forsaken the darkness of ignorance and error, they may worship the living and true God piously and holily, and serve Him from their whole heart. In a word, The Church, says St. Augustine, consists of the faithful dispersed throughout the world." The Catechism of the Council of Trent Pope Francis may have been referring to actual membership in the Church! Which would mean he was using "Communion of Saints" incorrectly. This is the problem with heterodox & modernist language! It is very slippy and easy to misread. Whatever the case I will continue to pray for the Holy Father every day. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 18, 2022 13:13:11 GMT
I think it's crazy too, but I do like that a word exists for it! Indeed. Some poor soul went to the bother of coining a word "proving" or "stating" 1) Francis is not really pope 2) The entire college of cardinals didn't realise this when they mistakenly elected him 3) Benedict doesn't realise he is still pope. 🤔 I'm not very convinced by this argument. www.patrickcoffin.media/is-benedict-xvi-still-the-pope/ |
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Post by cato on Feb 18, 2022 13:57:43 GMT
Indeed. Some poor soul went to the bother of coining a word "proving" or "stating" 1) Francis is not really pope 2) The entire college of cardinals didn't realise this when they mistakenly elected him 3) Benedict doesn't realise he is still pope. 🤔 I'm not very convinced by this argument. www.patrickcoffin.media/is-benedict-xvi-still-the-pope/I still haven't watched either Taylor Marshall or Patrick Coffin's videos but they seem to be click bait and have been criticised by many on the right for a scattergun approach. Heresy is a very specific claim . I do lament the sloppy, vague or misleading remarks that are quoted as coming from the pope on regular occasions. We have plenty of qualified theologians many of whom are mandated to teach as either catholic lecturers or as bishops...... Over to them. |
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