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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 17, 2022 15:26:07 GMT
I don't imagine Gript requires that much funding. It's basically a website and a few rather cheap-looking videos.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 15:26:16 GMT
Are you still holding its a conspiracy theory that Gript gets funding from Neocons and pro-Isreal lobbyists? Are you claiming you can prove it? If not, then why even raise it except to somehow "prove" it's a front for something else. And what if your mystery men are pro-Israel? So what? Maybe someone on the forum may be able to tell me. If gript is funded by Neocons, then it tells me a lot about the motives which are not Irish. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 15:29:53 GMT
That vast majority of media & politicians are pro-Israel particularly in the USA. Gript.ie challenges the mainstream consensus as much as fox news does. I'm pro the Kingdom of Jerusalem  In other words, standard anti-Judaic Catholic triumphalism. How novel. It was a joke and always promote Christ Kingship be it in Africa, China or the middle east. I'm not for stealing the land of the Arabs less than a hundred years ago. |
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Post by kj on Feb 17, 2022 15:32:52 GMT
If gript is funded by Neocons, then it tells me a lot about the motives which are not Irish. Standard conspiracy tactics: float an idea with no evidence. Let it settle as if it's a realistic possibility. Then act as if it's true with all of its desired implications. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 15:43:30 GMT
If gript is funded by Neocons, then it tells me a lot about the motives which are not Irish. Standard conspiracy tactics: float an idea with no evidence. Let it settle as if it's a realistic possibility. Then act as if it's true with all of its desired implications. It is a theory, no real conspiracy involved. 1) make an observation 2) create a hypothesis, 3) test the hypothesis We are here4) draw conclusions and refine the hypothesis. |
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Post by kj on Feb 17, 2022 15:46:26 GMT
Standard conspiracy tactics: float an idea with no evidence. Let it settle as if it's a realistic possibility. Then act as if it's true with all of its desired implications. It is a theory, no real conspiracy involved. 1) make an observation 2) create a hypothesis, 3) test the hypothesis We are here4) draw conclusions and refine the hypothesis. Except you have no observation. You've just invented a hypothesis to suit your pre-conceived ideology. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 15:50:22 GMT
It is a theory, no real conspiracy involved. 1) make an observation 2) create a hypothesis, 3) test the hypothesis We are here4) draw conclusions and refine the hypothesis. Except you have no observation. You've just invented a hypothesis to suit your pre-conceived ideology. I have observed the articles and people involved. What is my pre-conceived ideology? |
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Post by kj on Feb 17, 2022 15:54:35 GMT
Except you have no observation. You've just invented a hypothesis to suit your pre-conceived ideology. I have observed the articles and people involved. What is my pre-conceived ideology? Observation in science means an observation or measurement of a natural phenomenon that requires explanation. You simply read articles you don't like and try to concoct a theory that says there's some malevolent force behind it. |
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Post by kj on Feb 17, 2022 15:57:32 GMT
Here's an example of your method applied to something else:
What if the Catholic Church is and always has been nothing but a front for paedophiles to get their hands on children? Unlike the Gript idea, the revelations of the past 30 years provides far more evidence of this being a real possibility.
Okay, now we've let that settle. The Catholic Church cannot be ruled out as being nothing but a front for paedophiles. What now, given that we've established this?
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 16:00:23 GMT
I have observed the articles and people involved. What is my pre-conceived ideology? Observation in science means an observation or measurement of a natural phenomenon that requires explanation. You simply read articles you don't like and try to concoct a theory that says there's some malevolent force behind it. Thank you for your opinion, which I reject. I will look into it a bit more and see if I can get a bit more hard data. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 16:02:46 GMT
Here's an example of your method applied to something else: What if the Catholic Church is and always has been nothing but a front for paedophiles to get their hands on children? Unlike the Gript idea, the revelations of the past 30 years provides far more evidence of this being a real possibility. Okay, now we've let that settle. The Catholic Church cannot be ruled out as being nothing but a front for paedophiles. What now, given that we've established this? A difference of opinions just means you and i On different subjects do not see eye to eye And who is wrong or right is not for me to say Since we do look at life in a different way. On any one subject all will not agree And what's right to you may not be right to me If we all thought the same how boring we would be Though 'tis said what we dislike in others in ourselves we do see. 'Tis our individuality from others that place us apart But what does matter most is you be kind of heart And you do not find joy in another's downfall And you embrace the truth in a fair go for all. We are all individuals for want of a better name And even those with similar views not exactly the same Despite a common ancestry and similar D N A We all look at life in a different way. Of similar things many of us may dream But we all are quite different or so it does seem Though we can be judged by the company we keep The karma we sow is the karma we reap. Francis Duggan |
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Post by kj on Feb 17, 2022 16:05:33 GMT
A difference of opinions just means you and i On different subjects do not see eye to eye And who is wrong or right is not for me to say Since we do look at life in a different way. On any one subject all will not agree And what's right to you may not be right to me If we all thought the same how boring we would be Though 'tis said what we dislike in others in ourselves we do see. 'Tis our individuality from others that place us apart But what does matter most is you be kind of heart And you do not find joy in another's downfall And you embrace the truth in a fair go for all. We are all individuals for want of a better name And even those with similar views not exactly the same Despite a common ancestry and similar D N A We all look at life in a different way. Of similar things many of us may dream But we all are quite different or so it does seem Though we can be judged by the company we keep The karma we sow is the karma we reap. Francis Duggan Ah yes, the whole retreat from objective reality when the going gets tough into an "it's all subjective anyway". Ironically, the Catholic Church you seem to hold to completely disagrees with such subjectivity. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 16:14:36 GMT
A difference of opinions just means you and i On different subjects do not see eye to eye And who is wrong or right is not for me to say Since we do look at life in a different way. On any one subject all will not agree And what's right to you may not be right to me If we all thought the same how boring we would be Though 'tis said what we dislike in others in ourselves we do see. 'Tis our individuality from others that place us apart But what does matter most is you be kind of heart And you do not find joy in another's downfall And you embrace the truth in a fair go for all. We are all individuals for want of a better name And even those with similar views not exactly the same Despite a common ancestry and similar D N A We all look at life in a different way. Of similar things many of us may dream But we all are quite different or so it does seem Though we can be judged by the company we keep The karma we sow is the karma we reap. Francis Duggan Ah yes, the whole retreat from objective reality when the going gets tough into an "it's all subjective anyway". Ironically, the Catholic Church you seem to hold to completely disagrees with such subjectivity. I was lighting the conversation abit (looked to see if Francis Duggan had a poem on the subject and he did). Do you think this is tough...Dig a trench in clay soil or give birth that's touch. This is two people having a chat on a forum, in comfort. Of course Either I'm right and people fund Gript.ie / personnel that are Neocons or I'm wrong and have been given bad information. (feel free to show me evidence either way). Either way it has that Ideology for better or worse. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 17, 2022 16:49:40 GMT
I suppose the crux of the matter, to go back to the original subject, is what is woke and what is anti-woke?
I'd say woke is a progressive-globalist-feminist-statist outlook that is obsessed with matters of race and gender, that idealizes particular victim groups, and that villifies their supposed oppressors.
I think it's fair to say Gript opposes this agenda quite consistently, whatever its shortcomings.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 17, 2022 16:57:30 GMT
I suppose the crux of the matter, to go back to the original subject, is what is woke and what is anti-woke? I'd say woke is a progressive-globalist-feminist-statist outlook that is obsessed with matters of race and gender, that idealizes particular victim groups, and that villifies their supposed oppressors. I think it's fair to say Gript opposes this agenda quite consistently, whatever its shortcomings. I can agree with that. Your description sounds like a very interesting dystopian novel. |
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