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Post by kj on Apr 5, 2022 6:42:19 GMT
I know little enough about Orban or Hungary, but I can't help but comment on the shameless reaction in the western media to Orban's victory on Sunday. The BBC's highly condemnatory first report had to tie in Zelensky somehow: Hungary election: PM Viktor Orban criticises Ukraine's Zelensky as he wins voteTimothy Garton Ash's Guardian piece is borderline hysterical. Note the shameless attempt to somehow connect Orban with civilian deaths in Ukraine: "As I stood in a cold, disconsolate crowd in central Budapest late on Sunday night, listening to Hungarian opposition leader Péter Márki-Zay concede defeat in the country’s election, the Twitter feed on my phone filled with images of murdered Ukrainian civilians in the town of Bucha." The commenters also seem in a frenzied determination to "punish" Hungary. Orbán’s victory in Hungary adds to the darkness engulfing Europe
Nothing we don't already know, but in spite of all the endless trumpeting about "democracy" and "freedom", if you don't have the 'correct' opinions you are a pariah. |
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Post by Tomas on Apr 5, 2022 7:26:31 GMT
First thing I found this morning at the office was a headline from one of the leading newspapers. Saying Orban didn´t win despite the war but due to it. The most sour thing possible. Bad looser may be some natural, but this was almost fun in its crying out shame. A Hungarian friend, working in Sweden, was surprised and released by the outcome. The opposition that tried to force him off were a mixture of liberal, socialist and extreme right ex-neo nazi nationalist. They had no idea how to govern in case of a ballot win. Three against one didn´t pay off in this somewhat conservative nation.
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Post by cato on Apr 5, 2022 13:07:35 GMT
Hes a social conservative, a Nationalist hostile to multiculturalism ( perfectly understandable given Hungary's historical experience with Islam), sceptical of the progressive movement within the EU bureaucracy and a believing evangelical Christian.
A very bad man indeed.
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Post by Starlight on Apr 6, 2022 16:43:27 GMT
It's not just that he is a conservative. He is undermining Hungarian democratic institutions.
I don't support anti-democratic authoritarians whether they are "on my side" or not.
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Post by cato on Apr 7, 2022 8:50:40 GMT
It's not just that he is a conservative. He is undermining Hungarian democratic institutions. I don't support anti-democratic authoritarians whether they are "on my side" or not. Didn't he just win a democratic election ? The fourth in a row. |
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Post by Tomas on Apr 7, 2022 10:55:33 GMT
It's not just that he is a conservative. He is undermining Hungarian democratic institutions. I don't support anti-democratic authoritarians whether they are "on my side" or not. Living in the Soviet-sphere the Hungarians does not necessarily turn away from what are the real threats to their nation. Orban is more widely acknowledged as popular than most other "pro-democratic" anti-life and anti-Christ marionette Globalist figures in other parts of EU. (I also do prefer democracy to dictature.) |
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Post by Starlight on Apr 9, 2022 18:59:05 GMT
It's not just that he is a conservative. He is undermining Hungarian democratic institutions. I don't support anti-democratic authoritarians whether they are "on my side" or not. Didn't he just win a democratic election ? The fourth in a row. It's widely recognised that Orban has been undermining and dismantling Hungarian democracy for several years now. Using state power to combat the opposition and consolide his own control. Seems to want to follow the same path of a "managed" democracy like Putin who has won all his elections. |
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Post by cato on Apr 10, 2022 12:30:53 GMT
Didn't he just win a democratic election ? The fourth in a row. It's widely recognised that Orban has been undermining and dismantling Hungarian democracy for several years now. Using state power to combat the opposition and consolide his own control. Seems to want to follow the same path of a "managed" democracy like Putin who has won all his elections. Most of the media I read seemed to assume he was in with a strong chance of losing the recent elections. I didn't see the opposition publically doubting or challenging the outcome unlike in other prominent foreign recent elections. Orban is explicitly illiberal but is not a totalitarian dictator. Surely there is room for those who democratically oppose radical social liberalism or is there only one permitted political model within the EU? |
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Post by eala on Mar 21, 2023 22:09:35 GMT
Hes a social conservative, a Nationalist hostile to multiculturalism ( perfectly understandable given Hungary's historical experience with Islam), sceptical of the progressive movement within the EU bureaucracy and a believing evangelical Christian. A very bad man indeed. 'Who would he be like Ted, Hitler or one of those mad fellas?' |
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