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Post by cato on Feb 5, 2023 16:39:12 GMT
After years of discussion of the "Far right" by progressive types in Ireland it now appears we have real far right agitation using the genuine concerns of mainly working class communities at unprecedented levels of new foreign arrivals in the midst of a severe housing crisis and pressure on schools and hospitals.
Comments and thoughts ?
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Post by kj on Feb 5, 2023 17:26:52 GMT
I'm following this from afar, so who are the verified far right elements?
I assume the government's hope is that eventually the protesters will tire and give up, while also utilising every media outlet available to slander them and push their own programme.
Poor old Ireland does seem in a right mess. It seems to me sometimes as if our rulers really just do whatever they imagine some glorified Brussels + New York + Washington group would like them to do.
I would also add that as an emigrant the housing crisis and seeming prospect of tens of thousands of more immigrants due over the next few years make the idea of me ever being able to establish a life back home seem ever more distant.
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Post by cato on Feb 5, 2023 18:28:51 GMT
I'm following this from afar, so who are the verified far right elements? I assume the government's hope is that eventually the protesters will tire and give up, while also utilising every media outlet available to slander them and push their own programme. Poor old Ireland does seem in a right mess. It seems to me sometimes as if our rulers really just do whatever they imagine some glorified Brussels + New York + Washington group would like them to do. I would also add that as an emigrant the housing crisis and seeming prospect of tens of thousands of more immigrants due over the next few years make the idea of me ever being able to establish a life back home seem ever more distant. I perhaps worded my above remarks poorly. There have been numerous dire predictions of the possibility of a far right emerging in Ireland like other European states. Normally this is a device to shut down dissent by state funded "independent" media commentators. We saw this during the Covid crackdown on any dissent from the government line at any given time. Similarly if you maintain traditional views on marriage or gender you are now far right. Last year outrageous predictions of up to 200,000 refugees coming to Ireland were widely floated in the media . Between 2022 and this year it is estimated we will see up to 180,000 refugee/asylum seekers arrive so not far off the original guesses. The largely working class revolts and protests do appear to me to be largely locally organised at grass roots . One ex Sinn Fein activist is organising protests in the East Wall area of Dublin. The National Party and Irish Freedom Party are involved to the extent they are jumping onto a protest issue caused by put of touch idiotic government policies. Whether they benefit electorally is anyone's guess. Polls indicate around 55% of people are unhappy at open borders policies. Most Sinn Fein supporters (61%) object. This issue could tear Sinn Fein apart. "Brits out everyone else in" is utterly juvenile insanity. An Irish Ireland movement cannot preside over the deliberate social destruction of the historical Irish people in the name of diversity and inclusion. An uncomprehending out of touch media and political class has been taken by surprise by these protests and are repeating to bleat about the far right and insult all those who express any concern about open border policies. If an Irish far right does energe they will have created it.
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Post by kj on Feb 5, 2023 19:16:03 GMT
An old/former (see below) friend of mine jumped on the SF bandwagon about two or three years ago. Started bleating to me about the rise of the "far right" in Ireland. I suspect he and many of his ilk are now partly relishing current events as a fulfilment of their fantasies. Or maybe they are confused and concerned. Or both. Hard to know. After expressing my disapproval of SF to him around a year ago, I haven't heard from him since
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Post by daft on Feb 7, 2023 21:04:23 GMT
I'm following this from afar, so who are the verified far right elements? I assume the government's hope is that eventually the protesters will tire and give up, while also utilising every media outlet available to slander them and push their own programme. Poor old Ireland does seem in a right mess. It seems to me sometimes as if our rulers really just do whatever they imagine some glorified Brussels + New York + Washington group would like them to do. I would also add that as an emigrant the housing crisis and seeming prospect of tens of thousands of more immigrants due over the next few years make the idea of me ever being able to establish a life back home seem ever more distant. I perhaps worded my above remarks poorly. There have been numerous dire predictions of the possibility of a far right emerging in Ireland like other European states. Normally this is a device to shut down dissent by state funded "independent" media commentators. We saw this during the Covid crackdown on any dissent from the government line at any given time. Similarly if you maintain traditional views on marriage or gender you are now far right. Last year outrageous predictions of up to 200,000 refugees coming to Ireland were widely floated in the media . Between 2022 and this year it is estimated we will see up to 180,000 refugee/asylum seekers arrive so not far off the original guesses. The largely working class revolts and protests do appear to me to be largely locally organised at grass roots . One ex Sinn Fein activist is organising protests in the East Wall area of Dublin. The National Party and Irish Freedom Party are involved to the extent they are jumping onto a protest issue caused by put of touch idiotic government policies. Whether they benefit electorally is anyone's guess. Polls indicate around 55% of people are unhappy at open borders policies. Most Sinn Fein supporters (61%) object. This issue could tear Sinn Fein apart. "Brits out everyone else in" is utterly juvenile insanity. An Irish Ireland movement cannot preside over the deliberate social destruction of the historical Irish people in the name of diversity and inclusion. An uncomprehending out of touch media and political class has been taken by surprise by these protests and are repeating to bleat about the far right and insult all those who express any concern about open border policies. If an Irish far right does energe they will have created it. that's a great post -- we have no far right in Ireland . we do have a collection of very independent voices of unremarkable ability who do not associate together as far as I can tell . the only time our media pray is when they dream of the bringing into existence of a far right to try and justify their presstution. any child with a phone can look up the F THE EU speech by Victoria Nuland when picking the present American owned and funded government of the Ukraine . and her admission on the BBC 7/2/2014 the content /speech/phone call was real --and the comment later by Angela Merkle that this was totally unacceptable , RTE/ IRISH TIMES will never refer to this as the American Ukrainian government which has banned the Christian church and all opposition and media in the Ukraine and which is funded to the tune of 100 billion of poor peoples money from the USA and which has the nuclear clock at 90seconds to midnight for nuclear war in OUR europe . the only media organisation which allowed Enoch Burke to speak and give his views on camera was strangely the Independent newspaper who had to hire video people to do this , nobody else would allow it. we live in a fascist media dominated country which is now anti christian and has adopted the george soros philosophy of just society and will never allow a comment on his admission that he has 227 MEP ""friends"" in the EU parliament . our refugee policy is pure soros and many other policies are foreign to us but nobody will allow a discussion and therefore you get protests by people who cannot afford more than the loan of somebody's scratchy and weak chinese megaphone and take turns to shout the first mad thing that comes into their head . i would not call that the far right but dream on irish media .
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Post by cato on Feb 9, 2023 20:10:07 GMT
Peter Ryan has an article published on the UK Unherd site explaining the recent background to this issue and events around open borders and chaotic government policies. Naturally no main stream Irish publication would carry an opinion like his.
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Post by Antaine on Mar 14, 2023 14:24:28 GMT
With the utmost respect to Cato, one thing that really grates me is when I see the media try to create some sort of compromised narrative in which they give a soft agreement that not everything is perfect concerning immigration/borders (which they will never follow up on after this lips service), but simultaneously the people protesting are "far-right agitators" high-jacking the "genuine concerns" of "ordinary people". Has it occurred to anyone that the concerned people and "agitators" are one in the same? Or would it be too humanising to suggest anything other than the far-right are a group that popped out of the ground for the sole purpose of causing strife? And really, for the media to talk about feigned concern for the sake of pushing an agenda, how utterly rich. I think it goes more along the lines of something like this:
1] People notice a problem 2] Nobody does anything about it, or even acknowledges it 3] The People are angry 4] People try to complain about it. They're essentially given the finger and told to be quiet. 5] The People are more angry. 6] The People try to get more politically involved to make change. 7] They are slandered and called too beyond the Pale for politics. Too fringe and extreme. 8] The People are very angry. 9] Congratulations, and welcome to the Far Right. However, you are no longer human. You are an agitator.
Or to put it all simply: If a problem exists, and you have no concern in fixing it - or actively work against fixing it - your concerns about "Far-Right" anything are empty. The same media types pushing this are the same people who had nothing to say about the Cologne sex attacks, but were all horns and banners when it came to the anti-Islamic protests that happened later that month. I will not be called an agitator or worse for wanting to protect my country and people, and certainly not by a class of propagandists whose moral compasses spin faster than their mouths.
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Post by cato on Mar 15, 2023 9:39:25 GMT
With the utmost respect to Cato, one thing that really grates me is when I see the media try to create some sort of compromised narrative in which they give a soft agreement that not everything is perfect concerning immigration/borders (which they will never follow up on after this lips service), but simultaneously the people protesting are "far-right agitators" high-jacking the "genuine concerns" of "ordinary people". Has it occurred to anyone that the concerned people and "agitators" are one in the same? Or would it be too humanising to suggest anything other than the far-right are a group that popped out of the ground for the sole purpose of causing strife? And really, for the media to talk about feigned concern for the sake of pushing an agenda, how utterly rich. I think it goes more along the lines of something like this: 1] People notice a problem 2] Nobody does anything about it, or even acknowledges it 3] The People are angry 4] People try to complain about it. They're essentially given the finger and told to be quiet. 5] The People are more angry. 6] The People try to get more politically involved to make change. 7] They are slandered and called too beyond the Pale for politics. Too fringe and extreme. 8] The People are very angry. 9] Congratulations, and welcome to the Far Right. However, you are no longer human. You are an agitator. Or to put it all simply: If a problem exists, and you have no concern in fixing it - or actively work against fixing it - your concerns about "Far-Right" anything are empty. The same media types pushing this are the same people who had nothing to say about the Cologne sex attacks, but were all horns and banners when it came to the anti-Islamic protests that happened later that month. I will not be called an agitator or worse for wanting to protect my country and people, and certainly not by a class of propagandists whose moral compasses spin faster than their mouths. Antaine that's an interesting comment which I largely agree with. Unfortunately there are a small group of admirers of neo Fascism that do get involved in genuine people led protests that establishment politicians find alarming and threatening. Justin Barett would appear to be a real fascist sympathiser. Going on previous history a large number of the small far right are most likely Garda informers. The state has a long history of infiltrating leftist groups . I would be surprised if they haven't done the same with the radical right. I do talk about these issues here, at work and with my own social circle. We need to make this a mainstream issue along with law and order and the gender insanity to create an Irish Conservative political movement. The list is not exhaustive!
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Post by eala on Mar 15, 2023 15:08:35 GMT
I don't know what manner of organisation it is yet. But the media seem to have them in the crosshairs.
The Irish Times had an article on the Ireland First founder recently. We were treated to such important information as what neighbours his mother didn't get on with. And what he wore to school as a kid, and how the author believes his brother is unsavory.
I think this is the level of analysis we can expect.
I watched a video of one of their meetings in Cork. Talking points were, what was this covid lockdown about, where are all of these people coming from, and, why isn't there more focus on housing Irish people. Much of it was conversations you might hear when people tell you ad hoc what they are wondering about the events of the day. All of which is enough to be labelled far right.
Meanwhile, in the video, a counterdemonstration shouts 'Nazi scum off our streets'.
Is nuance too much to ask for?
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