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Post by eala on Apr 25, 2023 9:21:17 GMT
a)Creation of chaos, by Spectre or some such, divide and conquer?
b)Academics and ideologues undermining categorisation as such, for ostensible 'liberation'?
c)Oppression status on the basis of race isn't always an option but gender is?
d)The result of an age of disembodiment and avatars born of the internet?
e)The continuation of postmodernism and the eclipse of transcendent categories?
f) Hanlon's razor?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 25, 2023 11:23:12 GMT
a)Creation of chaos, by Spectre or some such, divide and conquer? b)Academics and ideologues undermining categorisation as such, for ostensible 'liberation'? c)Oppression status on the basis of race isn't always an option but gender is? d)The result of an age of disembodiment and avatars born of the internet? e)The continuation of postmodernism and the eclipse of transcendent categories? f) Hanlon's razor? I don't know, but I think e) comes closest. It seems to be the internal logic of liberalism; to undermine categories and to erode differences. The crusade of progressivism is always looking for new forms of oppression, new perceived injustices. If it doesn't have them, it must make them up. Maybe there's more going on, I don't know. I've thought about it a lot but can't really come to a conclusion as to why this is happening NOW. |
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Post by cato on Apr 25, 2023 11:44:09 GMT
Camille Paglia situates the notion of gender role confusion in a historical context. Family structures and sexual identity tend to dissolve during the decline of a major Civilisation , most famously the Roman Empire and now in our own time.
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Post by eala on Apr 25, 2023 20:42:03 GMT
Camille Paglia situates the notion of gender role confusion in a historical context. Family structures and sexual identity tend to dissolve during the decline of a major Civilisation , most famously the Roman Empire and now in our own time. Paglia is a treat |
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Post by eala on Apr 25, 2023 21:10:56 GMT
a)Creation of chaos, by Spectre or some such, divide and conquer? b)Academics and ideologues undermining categorisation as such, for ostensible 'liberation'? c)Oppression status on the basis of race isn't always an option but gender is? d)The result of an age of disembodiment and avatars born of the internet? e)The continuation of postmodernism and the eclipse of transcendent categories? f) Hanlon's razor? I don't know, but I think e) comes closest. It seems to be the internal logic of liberalism; to undermine categories and to erode differences. The crusade of progressivism is always looking for new forms of oppression, new perceived injustices. If it doesn't have them, it must make them up. Maybe there's more going on, I don't know. I've thought about it a lot but can't really come to a conclusion as to why this is happening NOW. Right, why NOW. I wonder how much Madison Avenue consultation is behind mainstreaming it |
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Post by Starlight on May 6, 2023 15:18:49 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender. In the past it was almost always forbidden - enforced with violence. People are more free to chose what they want to wear or how to behave these days. Also, it is more technologically feasible - there are surgery and hormone treatments which allow people to change physically - which was impossible in the past.
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Post by cato on May 7, 2023 15:19:36 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender. In the past it was almost always forbidden - enforced with violence. People are more free to chose what they want to wear or how to behave these days. Also, it is more technologically feasible - there are surgery and hormone treatments which allow people to change physically - which was impossible in the past. There have always been people who don't fit in. Not every Man is masculine or woman feminine in the ordinary sense particularly in our age of radical feminist critique of gender. I am concerned that any gender discomfortis immediately assumed to be gender dysphoria particularly among adolescents and children. It is biologically impossible to change your genetic identity. You are your born identity in your most basic DNA even after radical sterilisation and taking the hormones of the opposite gender. Many of those who do transition do discover that surgery doesn't make them happy and that they aren't sexually attractive to those they think should be attracted to them. We as a society do need to understand sympathetically a small sexual minority group but not by showing uncritical cultlike approval to powerful loud lobby groups. |
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Post by eala on May 11, 2023 14:17:01 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender. In the past it was almost always forbidden - enforced with violence. People are more free to chose what they want to wear or how to behave these days. Also, it is more technologically feasible - there are surgery and hormone treatments which allow people to change physically - which was impossible in the past. There have always been people who don't fit in. Not every Man is masculine or woman feminine in the ordinary sense particularly in our age of radical feminist critique of gender. I am concerned that any gender discomfortis immediately assumed to be gender dysphoria particularly among adolescents and children. It is biologically impossible to change your genetic identity. You are your born identity in your most basic DNA even after radical sterilisation and taking the hormones of the opposite gender. Many of those who do transition do discover that surgery doesn't make them happy and that they aren't sexually attractive to those they think should be attracted to them. We as a society do need to understand sympathetically a small sexual minority group but not by showing uncritical cultlike approval to powerful loud lobby groups. I used to think woke as cult was a metaphor or figure of speech, but it's increasingly my view that it's a cult in a pseudo-religious sense. In his 'new discourses' podcast James Lindsay (the grievance studies affair) makes a case that it's gnosticism' for the 21st century. |
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Post by eala on May 11, 2023 14:20:20 GMT
if people haven't heard of the grievance studies affair here are some of the spoof papers accepted for publication by woke academia: Following the discovery of the hoax, all four papers were retracted:
Helen Wilson (pseudonym) (2018). "Human Reactions to Rape Culture and Queer Performativity at Urban Dog Parks in Portland, Oregon". Gender, Place & Culture: 1–20. doi:10.1080/0966369X.2018.1475346. (Retracted)
Richard Baldwin (borrowed identity) (2018). "Who Are They to Judge? Overcoming Anthropometry and a Framework for Fat Bodybuilding". Fat Studies. 7 (3): i–xiii. doi:10.1080/21604851.2018.1453622. (Retracted)
M. Smith (pseudonym) (2018). "Going in Through the Back Door: Challenging Straight Male Homohysteria and Transphobia through Receptive Penetrative Sex Toy Use". Sexuality & Culture. 22 (4): 1542. doi:10.1007/s12119-018-9536-0. (Retracted)
Richard Baldwin (borrowed identity) (2018). "An Ethnography of Breastaurant Masculinity: Themes of Objectification, Sexual Conquest, Male Control, and Masculine Toughness in a Sexually Objectifying Restaurant". Sex Roles. 79 (11–12): 762. doi:10.1007/s11199-018-0962-0. (Retracted)
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Post by eala on May 11, 2023 14:32:44 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender. In the past it was almost always forbidden - enforced with violence. People are more free to chose what they want to wear or how to behave these days. Also, it is more technologically feasible - there are surgery and hormone treatments which allow people to change physically - which was impossible in the past. I'd question the feasibility based on technology. We're a binary species. Biologically a man doesn't become a woman or viceversa. There's a lot of detransitioner regret and anger out there when people realise this |
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Post by Séamus on May 12, 2023 1:29:47 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender...etc.... It was treated like the psychological problem that it is though. They weren't encouraged to mutilate themselves when they reached their late-teens. There has been circumstantial factors also- From Jesuits wearing dresses in Elizabethan Britain (and Ireland for that matter) to widows or single ladies desperately needing work. Then there's the Irish example of Dr James (really Margaret) Barry who posed as a man to study and practice medicine. Funnily... everyone picked up that she was having an affair with a man but no-one guessed beyond that. Extant photos of her in her older years show little evidence of feminity, but examination after death discovered, not only her gender, but that she wasn't a virgin and had given birth at one stage. |
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Post by eala on May 12, 2023 22:52:07 GMT
There are people throughout history who acted outside their gender...etc.... It was treated like the psychological problem that it is though. They weren't encouraged to mutilate themselves when they reached their late-teens. There has been circumstantial factors also- From Jesuits wearing dresses in Elizabethan Britain (and Ireland for that matter) to widows or single ladies desperately needing work. Then there's the Irish example of Dr James (really Margaret) Barry who posed as a man to study and practice medicine. Funnily... everyone picked up that she was having an affair with a man but no-one guessed beyond that. Extant photos of her in her older years show little evidence of feminity, but examination after death discovered, not only her gender, but that she wasn't a virgin and had given birth at one stage. Right, anorexia is body dysmorphia, do we treat it with liposuction |
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