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Post by cato on Nov 24, 2023 22:00:37 GMT
International attention was focused in on Dublin yesterday after a naturalised Irish Algerian national stabbed a woman and 3 children in a deprived multi ethnic area of the inner city.
Serious rioting broke out last night and official Ireland is united in horror at the emergence of the violent Irish far right.
The taoiseach said it was a national shame and that we need tough policing policies. Gardai are cracking skulls on O Connell St tonight for the first time in decades after years of light touch or non existent policing.
Riots are rare in Dublin. Generally every two decades we have a biggish flare up usually linked to Nortern Ireland. Yesterday was unique in that alienated working class young men rose up in revolt.
There was a strong element looting shops. Native locals were widely condemned by Irish media but a search on line shows plenty of New Irish redistributing wealth that's not theirs.
The entire Irish political class and most of the media is hostile to everything that rioting young men represent.
Is this a sign of a waking giant or a depoliticised emotional flash of thuggery? I am unsure.
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Post by eala on Nov 24, 2023 23:24:20 GMT
It seems the media are keen to close down any skepticism about the new Irish. Listening to the radio earlier it was the usual middle class talking heads, politicians for whom immigration will never be an issue but telling us immigration had reached Blackrock! Deliveroo drivers I guess. Another guest was, a proud marxist of colour talking about racism. To be fair the presenter pushed back on the predictable narrative by asking if the housing, and health service crises, and public service were under more pressure due to immigration.
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Post by cato on Nov 24, 2023 23:41:56 GMT
It seems the media are keen to close down any skepticism about the new Irish. Listening to the radio earlier it was the usual middle class talking heads, politicians for whom immigration will never be an issue but telling us immigration had reached Blackrock! Deliveroo drivers I guess. Another guest was, a proud marxist of colour talking about racism. To be fair the presenter pushed back on the predictable narrative by asking if the housing, and health service crises, and public service were under more pressure due to immigration. I think most media types are still in profound shock and or denial at yesterday's violence. |
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Post by eala on Nov 24, 2023 23:48:00 GMT
www.rte.ie/radio/rnag/clips/22325440/MÍR • 49 NÓIM • 24 SAMHAIN • TÚS ÁITE Gráinne Ní Aodha (Tuairisceoir le PA Media); Kevin Magee (Iriseoir Iniúctha); Darragh Adelaide (Ionadaí don Pobal Seachas Brabús i gCluain Dolcáin); Barry Ward (Seanadóir le Fine Gael agus Leas Cathaoirleach Choiste Dlí agus Cirt an Oireachtas); An Comhairleoir Mícheál Mac Donncha (Sinn Féin); Sheila Ní Bheaglaoich
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Post by Séamus on Nov 27, 2023 11:00:02 GMT
...etc...a naturalised Irish Algerian national...etc... Funny enough those adjectives were lost in any Australian media reports,even though mention was definitely made that the hero of the story was Brazilian. Some good personal images on IrishPapist, although for iconic status it's hard to beat a press image of Daniel O'Connell looking down on the flres. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 27, 2023 14:17:41 GMT
I think there are two truths which apply to the event, and which should be emphasised with equal force:
1) The violence was completely scandalous. It's criminal and deeply sinful to put human lives at risk by throwing fireworks, burning vehicles, and creating the sort of mayhem that the rioters helped to create. (Whether the Gardaí also helped to create it is another question. My wife got a baton waved in her face for asking a polite question.)
2) When you suppress an important social debate, and criminalize dissent, you shouldn't act terribly surprised when it explodes into violence. We have the example of Northern Ireland. I hold the Irish governing classes partly responsible for what happened. Amazingly, they are actually using it as an excuse to plough ahead with their hate speech agenda.
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Post by cato on Nov 27, 2023 23:58:58 GMT
I think there are two truths which apply to the event, and which should be emphasised with equal force: 1) The violence was completely scandalous. It's criminal and deeply sinful to put human lives at risk by throwing fireworks, burning vehicles, and creating the sort of mayhem that the rioters helped to create. (Whether the Gardaí also helped to create it is another question. My wife got a baton waved in her face for asking a polite question.) 2) When you suppress an important social debate, and criminalize dissent, you shouldn't act terribly surprised when it explodes into violence. We have the example of Northern Ireland. I hold the Irish governing classes partly responsible for what happened. Amazingly, they are actually using it as an excuse to plough ahead with their hate speech agenda. I agree entirely with Maolsheachlann above. The initial violence involved a vicious assault for no apparent reason on a woman and three National school children by a mentally ill naturalised Irish (Algerian) man in an impoverished, multi ethnic, under policed , inner city area around 2pm. The subsequent violence was coordinated in the hours after but wasn't some deliberate far right revolt or plot. Many rioters were probably angry and apolitical local young men . There were professional far right trouble makers also taking advantage of a terrible situation. We also had the local hoodlums as part of the mix . The looters of fashion and shoe shops also appeared to be from the native and new Irish community. Thankfully no lives to date have been lost. I am normally pro the ordinary Gardai on the beat but the behaviour of the police on Saturday was disgraceful. Many were itching for a fight with ordinary innocent bystanders as mentioned above by Maolsheachlann. I suspect they were deliberately told to create a tough impression and crack down after the embarrassing debacle of Thursday where they struggled to restore order. There are many strands to the sorry episode. I work close to the area and have often seen casual spontaneous aggression, drug use and light or non existent policing. This is a natural concern for conservatives but isn't yet on our national agenda. I have remarked before on the appalling condition of the GPO area . Its now a national embarrassment not a proud revered part of our nation. |
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Post by cato on Nov 28, 2023 0:09:01 GMT
The Irish media highlighted a Brazilian Deliveroo driver who helped overwhelm the assailant. He was certainly brave and fast food deliverers face daily abuse and violence in Dublin.
A Local Dublin white man and woman were the first to intervene disarming the man. The children's carer appears to have directly put herself in harms way to protect the children. Their undoubted bravery prevented fatalities but they have been oddly pushed to the margins by a propagandist media.
It is very impressive so many bystanders intervened pretty immediately in such a dangerous assault. I doubt this would have happened in many wealthier areas of the city. Some profoundly admirable virtue still resides in the area. For that we should be grateful.
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Post by eala on Nov 29, 2023 20:27:25 GMT
I think there are two truths which apply to the event, and which should be emphasised with equal force: 1) The violence was completely scandalous. It's criminal and deeply sinful to put human lives at risk by throwing fireworks, burning vehicles, and creating the sort of mayhem that the rioters helped to create. (Whether the Gardaí also helped to create it is another question. My wife got a baton waved in her face for asking a polite question.) 2) When you suppress an important social debate, and criminalize dissent, you shouldn't act terribly surprised when it explodes into violence. We have the example of Northern Ireland. I hold the Irish governing classes partly responsible for what happened. Amazingly, they are actually using it as an excuse to plough ahead with their hate speech agenda. Spot on on both points. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAS5jBgImg0&t=445s |
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Post by eala on Nov 29, 2023 20:29:09 GMT
The Irish media highlighted a Brazilian Deliveroo driver who helped overwhelm the assailant. He was certainly brave and fast food deliverers face daily abuse and violence in Dublin. A Local Dublin white man and woman were the first to intervene disarming the man. The children's carer appears to have directly put herself in harms way to protect the children. Their undoubted bravery prevented fatalities but they have been oddly pushed to the margins by a propagandist media. It is very impressive so many bystanders intervened pretty immediately in such a dangerous assault. I doubt this would have happened in many wealthier areas of the city. Some profoundly admirable virtue still resides in the area. For that we should be grateful. If this is true it's fairly disgusting propaganda. |
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Post by eala on Nov 29, 2023 20:31:05 GMT
I think there are two truths which apply to the event, and which should be emphasised with equal force: 1) The violence was completely scandalous. It's criminal and deeply sinful to put human lives at risk by throwing fireworks, burning vehicles, and creating the sort of mayhem that the rioters helped to create. (Whether the Gardaí also helped to create it is another question. My wife got a baton waved in her face for asking a polite question.) 2) When you suppress an important social debate, and criminalize dissent, you shouldn't act terribly surprised when it explodes into violence. We have the example of Northern Ireland. I hold the Irish governing classes partly responsible for what happened. Amazingly, they are actually using it as an excuse to plough ahead with their hate speech agenda. I agree entirely with Maolsheachlann above. The initial violence involved a vicious assault for no apparent reason on a woman and three National school children by a mentally ill naturalised Irish (Algerian) man in an impoverished, multi ethnic, under policed , inner city area around 2pm. The subsequent violence was coordinated in the hours after but wasn't some deliberate far right revolt or plot. Many rioters were probably angry and apolitical local young men . There were professional far right trouble makers also taking advantage of a terrible situation. We also had the local hoodlums as part of the mix . The looters of fashion and shoe shops also appeared to be from the native and new Irish community. Thankfully no lives to date have been lost. I am normally pro the ordinary Gardai on the beat but the behaviour of the police on Saturday was disgraceful. Many were itching for a fight with ordinary innocent bystanders as mentioned above by Maolsheachlann. I suspect they were deliberately told to create a tough impression and crack down after the embarrassing debacle of Thursday where they struggled to restore order. There are many strands to the sorry episode. I work close to the area and have often seen casual spontaneous aggression, drug use and light or non existent policing. This is a natural concern for conservatives but isn't yet on our national agenda. I have remarked before on the appalling condition of the GPO area . Its now a national embarrassment not a proud revered part of our nation. That monstrosity near the GPO that looks like a giant hypodermic syringe is apt. |
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Post by cato on Nov 29, 2023 21:32:47 GMT
The Irish media highlighted a Brazilian Deliveroo driver who helped overwhelm the assailant. He was certainly brave and fast food deliverers face daily abuse and violence in Dublin. A Local Dublin white man and woman were the first to intervene disarming the man. The children's carer appears to have directly put herself in harms way to protect the children. Their undoubted bravery prevented fatalities but they have been oddly pushed to the margins by a propagandist media. It is very impressive so many bystanders intervened pretty immediately in such a dangerous assault. I doubt this would have happened in many wealthier areas of the city. Some profoundly admirable virtue still resides in the area. For that we should be grateful. If this is true it's fairly disgusting propaganda. Its pretty clear if you do a little searching unline. Officially no one has been written out of the episode but the Brazilian man ( the third person who intervened after an Irish local disarmed the assailant) has been highlighted as a hero for hitting the attacker with his bicycle helmet. |
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