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Post by connacht4096 on Dec 23, 2023 21:09:14 GMT
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Post by connacht4096 on Dec 23, 2023 21:12:07 GMT
i know it has been a while since i posted here; i have droughts and floods of activity on every site i have ever frequented; but I recently came across something that makes me very very angry and i kind of need as many people as possible to confirm the thing is awfull; you may or may not know but the irish potato famine is not the only time britian committed genocide by starvation; there are over 100 cases of that; and there are photographs of one of the other cases; the bengal famine of 1943; which killed 10,000,000 people in one year; anyway during an online discussion i was not actually taking part in but was following; someone said brexit induced food shortages are nothing compared to what british imperialism did to many other people; and posted some images of the bengal famine; be warned they are graphic. one british person said those images were "glorious" (I have trouble not vomitting when i see those words used to describe those images); i have included 3 of the photos of the bengal famine as a reference point; what type of evil causes people to think those images depict something glorious? sorry I am upset; words cannot convey how awfull they look but I think some of the images can. ![]() ![]() .jpg) these are not the only images of the awfull genocide by starvation inflected on what is today a state of eastern india; there are hundreds of them; but i can only post 3 at a time; and only have about 10 so here are the others |
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Post by connacht4096 on Dec 23, 2023 21:16:52 GMT
i know it has been a while since i posted here; i have droughts and floods of activity on every site i have ever frequented; but I recently came across something that makes me very very angry and i kind of need as many people as possible to confirm the thing is awfull; you may or may not know but the irish potato famine is not the only time britian committed genocide by starvation; there are over 100 cases of that; and there are photographs of one of the other cases; the bengal famine of 1943; which killed 10,000,000 people in one year; anyway during an online discussion i was not actually taking part in but was following; someone said brexit induced food shortages are nothing compared to what british imperialism did to many other people; and posted some images of the bengal famine; be warned they are graphic. one british person said those images were "glorious" (I have trouble not vomitting when i see those words used to describe those images); i have included 3 of the photos of the bengal famine as a reference point; what type of evil causes people to think those images depict something glorious? sorry I am upset; words cannot convey how awfull they look but I think some of the images can. ![]() ![]() these are not the only images of the awfull genocide by starvation inflected on what is today a state of eastern india; there are hundreds of them; but i can only post 3 at a time; and only have about 10 so here are the others I know that starving millions of people to death is awfull; but somehow seeing these images makes it seem even worse Attachments:
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 23, 2023 21:28:33 GMT
Horrible.
One of the reasons I'm a nationalist is because I think such atrocities are more likely to happen when countries are ruled from far away.
Let's not give ourselves any airs. We could also have a thread showing the carnage and death caused by IRA bombs.
Sadly, original sin runs through us all.
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Post by connacht4096 on Dec 29, 2023 3:35:58 GMT
Well, this took a sudden turn that takes the original question up to 11. Prepare to be shouting “what???”. I mentioned having posted similar questions on other sites I frequent under various usernames because I am desperate for an answer; but one I suspect may never come. I checked back on one of those sites on which I have asked similar questions; using those same images you saw on the previous posts and the same warnings. For some reason one of the other sites was possessed to ban me over a simple; what is wrong with people who call what is depicted in those images “glorious” question. Banned from a website for saying that “glorious” is not a word that describes the Bengal famine! Excuse my language; but what the fuck is wrong with administrators on some sites? Being against the deaths of millions of people should not be a controversial stance. You would expect that being against genocide by starvation would be just bellow “I am for good things and against bad things” in terms of how agreeable it is. and A friend who I showed those images to said they looked like the holocaust; yet asking how anyone could possibly use the word “glorious” to describe the content of those images is somehow a controversial question to the degree that people should be banned for asking it? Whatever is wrong with the person whose comment I was originally talking about; even more is wrong with some site administrators. This is one of the most bizarre turns this question could have taken.
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 3, 2024 1:01:29 GMT
I have read that in Bengali (the language spoken in bengal, the region of india effected by that awful famine) the word for 'genocide' sounds like the name of a British politician from the era; that word is "ছেরকিল" if you can’t read Bengali, it is pronounced “cher-kil” (tangent but are those not just a lovely looking set of letters; Bengali is truly the most beautiful written language on the planet, even words for awful things look great in Bengali letters). I think the images I posted above tell you why those sounds have that meaning in that language; but did you know our government actually comes out well in researching the famine for an interesting reason I will probably explain soon. still cannot understand how it is conterversial to say that something is wrong with anyone who finds those images "glorious"
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 6, 2024 20:24:06 GMT
for a bit of a lighter turn on something tangentially related to this topic before returning to the main point of it; Bengali is a really good looking language; I don't actually know the language though i have reaserched its written form; but if I ever try to learn a non European language; it may well be Bengali; Bengali is a more practical language then you might think; depending on how one counts it is either the fifth or sixth most spoken language on the planet; it is spoken by about 270 million people; here are some galaries of bengali letters so you can see for yourself; the first gallery is the independent vowels, which are the form vowels take when they occur at the start of a word or immediatly after another vowel (Bengali is not an alphabet but a distinct thing called an abugida); the second is the consonent letters in base form; the third is the first consonent with dependent vowels atached which are the form vowels take when they occur right after a consonent they are attached to the conosonent as small marks (other combinations are written by ataching the same dependent vowel marks to other consonents; please note that one independent vowel has no vissable dependent vowel form because that sound is built into every consonent that lacks any other vowel by default); i will post the second set of galleries too |
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 6, 2024 20:29:00 GMT
for a bit of a lighter turn on something tangentially related to this topic before returning to the main point of it; Bengali is a really good looking language; I don't actually know the language though i have reaserched its written form; but if I ever try to learn a non European language; it may well be Bengali; Bengali is a more practical language then you might think; depending on how one counts it is either the fifth or sixth most spoken language on the planet; it is spoken by about 270 million people; here are some galaries of bengali letters so you can see for yourself; the first gallery is the independent vowels, which are the form vowels take when they occur at the start of a word or immediatly after another vowel (Bengali is not an alphabet but a distinct thing called an abugida); the second is the consonent letters in base form; the third is the first consonent with dependent vowels atached which are the form vowels take when they occur right after a consonent they are attached to the conosonent as small marks (other combinations are written by ataching the same dependent vowel marks to other consonents; please note that one independent vowel has no vissable dependent vowel form because that sound is built into every consonent that lacks any other vowel by default); i will post the second set of galleries too in bengali the absence of a vowel sound in a letter is written by placing a mark called a "Vrima" with it; one consonent with a vrima is the fourth gallery; the last thing is that some combinations of two or more consonents without a vowel between them are combined into a conjunct consonant (a single joined up typographical character indicating a consonant cluster); the final galaery is bengali conjunct consonents; I think after seeing these one can understand why i think they have very aethetically pleasing writing in india and bengal in particular Attachments:
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 9, 2024 22:29:29 GMT
off the previous tangent; I don't think everyone knows that we in Ireland even have a foreign aide program; well we do; and it was created to try to help relieve the suffering shown in the images of the Bengal famine. the very first year we had one was 1943; the year of that famine; and for that year and the next all of it went to Bengal. Eamon De Valera was actually the largest international Donar of aide to the Bengal famine; he spent more than a quarter of his salary on aide to Bengal; though he had to use smuggling to get a lot of it because the British government "redirected" aide given overtly from Bengal to military stockpiles. the British navy also sank ships that had food on them heading for Bengal; my great aunt actually had a friend whose brother was on one of those ships.
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Post by cato on Jan 10, 2024 0:02:11 GMT
off the previous tangent; I don't think everyone knows that we in Ireland even have a foreign aide program; well we do; and it was created to try to help relieve the suffering shown in the images of the Bengal famine. the very first year we had one was 1943; the year of that famine; and for that year and the next all of it went to Bengal. Eamon De Valera was actually the largest international Donar of aide to the Bengal famine; he spent more than a quarter of his salary on aide to Bengal; though he had to use smuggling to get a lot of it because the British government "redirected" aide given overtly from Bengal to military stockpiles. the British navy also sank ships that had food on them heading for Bengal; my great aunt actually had a friend whose brother was on one of those ships. Can you name any of those ships sunk by the Royal Navy? Connacht you have made some interesting points on this issue in British Imperial history particularly the role of Eamon De Valera (which I had never came across before) but ruin your case by claims like that the British deliberately sank aid ships to their Indian subjects. By the way most historians believe there were 3 million dead in the Bengal famine not the 10 million you referred to. A horrible death toll but it doesn't need to be inflated for shock value. |
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 10, 2024 19:08:40 GMT
My great aunt told me about the ship being sunk; she told me the British navy made up some nonsense about thinking it was a Japanese warship; she had a friend whose brother was on one of those ships. I wish I knew the name; I would ask, but my great aunt died 4 years ago; sorry about that; I made the mistake of never asking when she was alive; if I ever gain the ability to speak with the dead, I will seek that information. To clarify I knew most of what I knew about the Bengal famine for a while; it was the outrageous remarks mentioned in the first post in this thread that motivated me to post about it here; but I have known about it for a long time; I was when I mentioned it to my great aunt that she brought up having a friend whose brother was on one of those ships. the number I have heard most often is 10,000,000; I have heard sources that claim the deaths as 12,000,000 or even in one case 17,000,000 ; some sources claim it is as low as 3,000,000 though; the source that claims 10,000,000 actually breaks it down by number per district in west Bengal giving numbers of how many people in each district were killed. I will admit, It is possible that me, you, or one or both of our sources are getting wires crossed. The british caused many famines in india; in fact under british rule famines killing over a million people happened on average every 2.5 years! If something happens just under 100 times; it becomes tricky to keep individual cases of it straight; it is possible that someone got the exact numbers goofed up between two or more famines? Certainly. Can you keep straight invidual instances of something that happens that often? Trust me Bengal is not the worst of those famines by death toll; the worst one of the british induced famines in india killed 35,000,000 people; and the second worst 29,000,000 people. All of the 5 deadliest famines in human history occurred in india under british colonialism. Bengal in 1943 is just exceptionally well photographed. as well as the one some truly awfull person saw fit to describe photos of as “glorious”. in that context; getting individual ones confused could be forgiven. during the approval of the foreign aide for Bengal in Ireland; at least one TD called what was happening in Bengal “an echo of the 1840s here” (rough paraphrase). An interesting show of solidarity is that; and I don’t know how many people remember this; a British politician proposed holding Ireland’s food supply hostage ( sounds horrific and familiar I am certain) because they were not getting a good deal on Brexit (which is also another reason I am convinced that even if one wants to leave the European union; Brexit is a model for how not to do it); the government of west Bengal expressed interest in hanging that British politician; though it may just be an emotional reaction by one state legislater. There are still some living people; albeit now very elderly, in Bengal who lived through the situation shown in the images.
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