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Post by Tomas on Jan 28, 2024 6:22:59 GMT
What is the general explanation, or even explanation away perhaps, when you hear a secular person of science give reply to the legendary dispel from St Patrick? Was there snakes in the island once or not?
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Post by Séamus on Jan 30, 2024 3:49:07 GMT
What is the general explanation, or even explanation away perhaps, when you hear a secular person of science give reply to the legendary dispel from St Patrick? Was there snakes in the island once or not? St Bede claimed that even a stowaway adder would die as soon as it took a breath of Irish air when the boat neared the shores. But I'd imagine it's mostly seen as allegorical- still,why mainland Britain should have snakes and close by Ireland not is mysterious (consider the similarity of fauna between Papua New Guinea and Australia, particularly Queensland for comparison; New Guinea even has it's own dingo, called the whistling dog). I only learned recently that it became mandatory to cut Wimbledon lawns neatly in the early days of the tennis tournament after a player was bitten during a game. Another explanation could be the casting-into-the-sea of some thing or things of serpentine appearance after Christianity took hold, note following piece from Irish LIbrary: "Rude carvings of snakes adorn the pyramidal stones overlooking the plains of Dundalk in Louth County. This is on Killing Hill. The marvellous megalithic temple of New Grange, one of the finest antiquities of Ireland, has its curled serpentine monument. The legends still floating about among the peasantry of the country parts of Ireland have frequent reference to the Piastra, Piastha, Worm, or Serpent. This creature is always in some lake, or deep pond. The Fenian heroes are recorded in ancient songs to have killed many of them. Fionn, in particular, was the traditional dragon-killer of Ireland."
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Post by Tomas on Jan 30, 2024 7:58:39 GMT
As no surprise the common feature in articles can be that the legend story is nothing to do with real snakes. In this one is mentioned in passing the Slow Worm (in Swedish it is called Copper Snake) that looks like a tiny snake but by natural species is a lizard. www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/st-patrick-snakes-ireland
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Post by cato on Feb 1, 2024 0:05:16 GMT
We do have native reptiles in Ireland and I am not referring to politicians. I was greatly surprised to see lizards sunning themselves in the Bluestack mountains in South Donegal on a hike many years ago.
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Post by Starlight on Feb 22, 2024 1:02:56 GMT
I remember learning that after the ice age, the melt-water raised the sea level and cut us off before certain species could spread to us. So there are certain groups of species in the north coast of France, then a subset of then in the UK, then a smaller subset of that in Ireland. For example, France and the UK have moles, but we don't have them.
I believe they showed through genetics that polar bears evolved from Irish bears that followed the ice north as it retreated.
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Post by cato on Mar 17, 2024 21:15:06 GMT
Reading a lot of old Patrician themed literature at the moment. One writer Ludwig Bieler I think mentioned in passing Patrick's Roman family more than likely owned slaves.....
This has major implications for the "St Patrick was a migrant" folks or is it OK to own white slaves? Perhaps that's even progressive?
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