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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 21, 2024 0:21:18 GMT
So in a couple of weeks we've seen the Irish public resoundingly support the Constitution's protection of mothers, Willie O'Dea complain about the government's woke agenda, Fintan O'Toole retire from the Irish Times, and Leo Varadkar suddenly step down as Taoiseach.
Not a bad fortnight for Irish conservatives.
Are things changing?
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Post by eala on Mar 21, 2024 8:49:46 GMT
Let's hope
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Post by Tomas on Mar 21, 2024 9:48:07 GMT
Hoping this will not be another silence before a storm (as a born pessimist that is, so not to be taken into account by conservative Irish spectators far better in the know). It might well be the turning point!
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Post by eala on Mar 21, 2024 10:51:15 GMT
So in a couple of weeks we've seen the Irish public resoundingly support the Constitution's protection of mothers, Willie O'Dea complain about the government's woke agenda, Fintan O'Toole retire from the Irish Times, and Leo Varadkar suddenly step down as Taoiseach. Not a bad fortnight for Irish conservatives. Are things changing? Four years on! Mary Lou McDonald last week trying to distinguish SF from the resounding no of the referendum. FF trying to surf the shifting currents. A TD going on about the housing crisis on the radio currently. Éamon Ryan can go back to sleep, does anyone except much of the Greens. The chatterati discussing Varadkar's work life balance. The only sense I've heard reflecting the way the actual conversations being had up and down the country I can see is the Freedom Party. In the immortal words of GW Bush: 'There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again'. Ní fheadar, ní bheinn cinnte, a George. Is maith an scéalaí an aimsir. |
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Post by cato on Mar 21, 2024 13:37:50 GMT
Simple answer is we don't know. Yet.
I work in the North Inner city of Dublin and there has been an anti establishment rage bubbling since at least Covid times. This is Mary Lou territory but she was booed to her face on several visits after the November stabbing attacks. People are sick of gardai abandoning the streets of the capital , drugs everywhere, mass influx of foreigners many of whom are young idle moslem men who don't share Irish attitudes.
The working class are disenchanted with the current government. They distrust Sinn Fein who are even more woke and anti Irish. Who do they/we vote for instead?
At the present we don't have a viable alternative. We have a few well meaning independents , one fine Aontu deputy and a handful of Senators. What's missing is a party machine, a leader like Farage or Trump who will spot the gap in the Irish political landscape and local reps who will campaign on bread and butter issues. We need an agenda which will appeal to a wide coalition of the discontented. That's how the No votes were delivered.
In the next elections Fine Gael and Fianna Fail need to be punished severely. This may benefit Sinn Fein in the short term but a crushing defeat for the current government is necessary to create a broad Conservative movement in the long run.
In the next 20 years we may see Irish unity with an influx of new voters. Where will the former unionist votes go? Will Sinn Fein survive after they deliver on their long term goal. Politics is going to change. If not immediately then in another parliamentary cycle.
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Post by eala on Mar 21, 2024 21:53:52 GMT
Simple answer is we don't know. Yet. I work in the North Inner city of Dublin and there has been an anti establishment rage bubbling since at least Covid times. This is Mary Lou territory but she was booed to her face on several visits after the November stabbing attacks. People are sick of gardai abandoning the streets of the capital , drugs everywhere, mass influx of foreigners many of whom are young idle moslem men who don't share Irish attitudes. The working class are disenchanted with the current government. They distrust Sinn Fein who are even more woke and anti Irish. Who do they/we vote for instead? At the present we don't have a viable alternative. We have a few well meaning independents , one fine Aontu deputy and a handful of Senators. What's missing is a party machine, a leader like Farage or Trump who will spot the gap in the Irish political landscape and local reps who will campaign on bread and butter issues. We need an agenda which will appeal to a wide coalition of the discontented. That's how the No votes were delivered. In the next elections Fine Gael and Fianna Fail need to be punished severely. This may benefit Sinn Fein in the short term but a crushing defeat for the current government is necessary to create a broad Conservative movement in the long run. In the next 20 years we may see Irish unity with an influx of new voters. Where will the former unionist votes go? Will Sinn Fein survive after they deliver on their long term goal. Politics is going to change. If not immediately then in another parliamentary cycle. Spot on. I share the distrust for the same reasons. Cad is brí leis an 'sinn' seo, a Mary? Cad atá I gceist leis an focal siúd san la atá inniu, ní fheadar? The pithiest definition of SF I heard is 'Brits out, everyone else in'. |
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Post by rogerbuck on Mar 21, 2024 23:34:58 GMT
I have little to add in this thread, but much to learn.
Little to add, because my focus of late has been far away from Irish contemporary politics. More in the past as my Tomberg, Waugh etc videos suggest.
But I am hungry to know about these developments. I saw this video which, from my very uninformed viewpoint, seems to me wildly optimistic. Am I wrong?
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