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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 6, 2017 9:16:17 GMT
This forum is called the Irish Conservatives Forum. I realize that the word "conservative" is ambiguous. It has different meanings according to context. There's an especially marked difference in how Americans and Europeans use it. It encompasses free market libertarians, throne-and-altar traditionalists, religious conservatives, authoritarians, neoconservatives, neoreactionaries, and any amount of other groups, many of whom have clashing views on many subjects.
Personally, I think this ambiguity can be a good thing as well as a bad thing. I do think "conservative" legitimately describes a constelation of viewpoints which resemble each other in important ways. There is an observable cleavage in society which corresponds with the left-right, liberal-conservative division, and this seems to run through all societies in some ways.
I'd urge anyone coming to this forum not to worry too much about the term. Posting here doesn't commit you to any particular definition of conservative, or even to the label "conservative" at all. There are no purity tests, no excommunications, and no shibboleths here. "Conservative" is just a word, that's all. I'm going to pin this note for all future time.
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Post by Faith and country on Mar 24, 2018 19:12:09 GMT
Indeed. I count myself as a conservative but would see eye to eye with some leftists more than with some of the groups you name, on some issues anyway. What is heartening at the moment is seeing so many articulate younger people taking up a role, yourself among them. Conservatism used to have an image problem (fusty, unintellectual, and just not very happy) that was not altogether undeserved. Conservative blogs are, apart from anything else, livelier and more interesting than what the left has to offer. The left is now the sclerotic establishment.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 24, 2018 19:18:29 GMT
I'm delighted to hear myself described as a "younger person" at forty years of age. The photograph is a good few years old, I'm afraid!
But yes, I agree.
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Post by Tomas on Jul 28, 2020 20:45:07 GMT
Happy also to note how conservatives make sense on the web in particular. Sign of the times. In relation to books the same "confidence" may apply well. Only problems appears to be out on the street squares, work places, and official public media. The unsocial nature of society is taking its toll. Mere Liberal-Left life (secular) is in many ways simply a menace as it stands. Often like a barren stalemate, and not much hopes for the next day.
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Post by Seamus oruianagh on Nov 20, 2020 15:45:33 GMT
conservatives are the best people. Anyone who likes or promotes socialism is really skirting the edge of mental illness.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 20, 2020 16:15:39 GMT
conservatives are the best people. Anyone who likes or promotes socialism is really skirting the edge of mental illness. I don't know. I used to be an ardent socialist in my early twenties. I can still remember why I had that point of view. I just thought life was so short that people shouldn't spend their days worrying about housing, medicine, or other material needs. Or, indeed, working all the hours God gave just to stay alive. Also, I was haunted by the thought of society becoming more and more commercialised, and hence, banalized. I don't think socialism is the answer now, and I think a less dark view of ordinary life and material adversity-- having known plenty of the latter myself. But I still think it's a bad feature of our society that so many people are on a treadmill, and that commercialization seems to be ever-increasing-- to the extent that we now have "Black Friday" in Ireland without Thanksgiving.
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Post by cato on Nov 20, 2020 16:51:01 GMT
conservatives are the best people. Anyone who likes or promotes socialism is really skirting the edge of mental illness. I don't know. I used to be an ardent socialist in my early twenties. I can still remember why I had that point of view. I just thought life was so short that people shouldn't spend their days worrying about housing, medicine, or other material needs. Or, indeed, working all the hours God gave just to stay alive. Also, I was haunted by the thought of society becoming more and more commercialised, and hence, banalized. I don't think socialism is the answer now, and I think a less dark view of ordinary life and material adversity-- having known plenty of the latter myself. But I still think it's a bad feature of our society that so many people are on a treadmill, and that commercialization seems to be ever-increasing-- to the extent that we now have "Black Friday" in Ireland without Thanksgiving. I was once a liberal catholic , a Provo apologist and lefty on many economic issues. As our politicians like to day I journeyed..... There are few people here however who are free market capitalists. I do believe in promoting private business but the political activities of multi nationals fill me with dread . Similarly the decision to let the market provide housing in Ireland has been a disaster for screwed renters and homeless people. The huge growing economic gap between young and their elders is dangerous politically especially as knowledge of Marxist tyranny is fairly non existent in Ireland. Socialism may not be an answer but let's not kid ourselves the alternative is doing well at present.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 20, 2020 16:56:33 GMT
There are few people here however who are free market capitalists. Indeed I sometimes worry that any potential contributors who lean this way might be deterred by the very traditionalist conservative flavour of the forum!
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Post by Seamus oruianadgh on Nov 20, 2020 17:29:35 GMT
There are few people here however who are free market capitalists. Indeed I sometimes worry that any potential contributors who lean this way might be deterred by the very traditionalist conservative flavour of the forum!
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Post by assisi on Nov 22, 2020 14:48:21 GMT
conservatives are the best people. Anyone who likes or promotes socialism is really skirting the edge of mental illness. We, as conservatives and traditionalists, do ourselves down sometimes. I have seen the phrase quite a lot 'But what have you conserved lately?'. Most people think the answer to that is some sort of physical entity like old buildings, trains, ancients forests or the Irish Language. All these are commendable but are not the full story. What we really should be trying to conserve more is the values of the moral law, and those values that have almost always been held to be admirable throughout the ages. Discipline, hard work, compassion, truth, loyalty, family, children, outdoor life, crafts and skills, beautiful art and music and God. You could add other things to that. The skill is integrating all these values into a new age of technology, eventually giving rise to the best of both worlds. Conservatives, generally speaking, probably are more interesting, maybe even more fun than the 'left'. Conservatives value the 3 terms of time, the past, present and future. Most progressives disdain the past and turn their back on it, their eyes are mostly cast in the direction of an unattainable future utopia. So the progressive, or leftist, really only functions on two of the terms of time, the present and the future and is therefore missing out on a vast sea of experience, tradition and heritage, which can only diminish them.
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Post by cato on Nov 23, 2020 9:51:19 GMT
conservatives are the best people. Anyone who likes or promotes socialism is really skirting the edge of mental illness. We, as conservatives and traditionalists, do ourselves down sometimes. I have seen the phrase quite a lot 'But what have you conserved lately?'. Most people think the answer to that is some sort of physical entity like old buildings, trains, ancients forests or the Irish Language. All these are commendable but are not the full story. What we really should be trying to conserve more is the values of the moral law, and those values that have almost always been held to be admirable throughout the ages. Discipline, hard work, compassion, truth, loyalty, family, children, outdoor life, crafts and skills, beautiful art and music and God. You could add other things to that. The skill is integrating all these values into a new age of technology, eventually giving rise to the best of both worlds. Conservatives, generally speaking, probably are more interesting, maybe even more fun than the 'left'. Conservatives value the 3 terms of time, the past, present and future. Most progressives disdain the past and turn their back on it, their eyes are mostly cast in the direction of an unattainable future utopia. So the progressive, or leftist, really only functions on two of the terms of time, the present and the future and is therefore missing out on a vast sea of experience, tradition and heritage, which can only diminish them. There is much wisdom there Assisi and it is good to look at core foundations of conservatism. One of the flaws of much leftist thought and practice is its obsession with the present here and now. No one denies the present occupies much of our existence but our past inheritance, cultural , national, familial - our roots are crucial precious and of immense value . They are not something to be ashamed of or denigrated but much of modern commentary consists of deconstructing and blackening the past. Similarly we have duties and obligations to people of the future. We don't own this life contrary to the falsehoods we are bombarded with almost every day. We are lease holders in this world for a short rapidly passing time . We hopefully will hand on a culture , a faith and a unique way of life that we have received. We think little of running up enormous debts as a society and of making it extremely difficult for young people to afford their own property and start families. Worrying about future workers to pay our pensions while the state pays people to destroy the unborn is another example of collective selfish insanity.
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