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Post by Stephen on May 16, 2017 12:18:46 GMT
Peoples views on Immigration
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 16, 2017 19:14:32 GMT
I have complicated views on immigration.
My instinct is to oppose large-scale immigration because I'm a conservative and nationalist and I want ireland's cultural distinctiveness to remain (insofar as it exists at all). I like the social ease of being able to say "us" and "we" without opening a hornet's nest. Multiculturalism always seems to lead to conflict and tension.
On the other hand, I realise people have to find work. The old argument that the Irish did the same thing is hard to counter.
On the other other hand (so to speak), I dislike the politically correct religion of open borders and the demonisation of anyone who complains about immigration. So in general I tend to rush to the defence of those who want to defend national sovereignty, which includes border control.
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on May 18, 2017 12:38:08 GMT
The left play games of obscurantism with immigration. They are for unrestricted permanent settlement of foreigners (the more diverse the better) to be given citizenship. The word 'immigration' carries with it the sentiment, or hope that it's temporary, and the immigrant will one day eventually go home. This isn't what the left want at all. They want citizenship settlement. When I was a kid, there were clear distinctions between 'refugee', 'asylum seeker' and 'immigrant'. The left deliberately blurs this distinction.
There's also the moral issue. It is utterly reprehensible to signal to migrants that they should risk their lives to make it here and live at the bottom of our economy, and for what - to decorate the day to day lived experiences of childless, deracinated cosmopolitans with exoticism? To reduce migrants to nothing more than performing their ethnicities for us? Think of all the Nigerian asylum seekers. Recall what political asylum is supposed to mean. You'd imagine Ireland ought to be a hotbed of Nigerian dissident literature and anti-Nigerian Government activism and campaigning, wouldn't you?
What are the arguments for immigration and multiculturalism anyway? They'll do the jobs we won't? They'll open interesting restaurants? At the heart of is is always absurdities like this. Take the Nigerian bus drivers: what are they to do when Tesla introduce driverless busses? Anyway, if there are not enough workers in your economy then you need to either start paying better salaries to get people to take the jobs, or allow the economy to shrink to fit the workforce, not try to reengineer demographics.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 18, 2017 13:33:01 GMT
I'm basically in agreement with everything you say, but to me the thing that makes me hesitate a little is the humanitarian question-- what are people supposed to do when there are no jobs at home?
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Post by Stephen on May 18, 2017 14:19:52 GMT
I would reduce Immigration to 1000s (that's even a push for me) if I was in Government, as western/Irish/British/Christian Culture is being destroyed. To become a subject/Citizen is going take more than five years and would not be granted just because you have been here that period of time.
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