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Post by ClassicalRepublican on May 24, 2017 22:39:19 GMT
What are we to make of the current movement in the U.S. to remove statues and memorials to Confederate States of America politicians and soldiers?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 24, 2017 22:50:18 GMT
Hadn't heard of it, but I guess it was inevitable after the Confederate flag cave-in. Strangely enough, I have considerable experience of Monument Avenue in Richmond VA, which is full of them. There was a controversy when a statue of Arthur Ashe was put up there. Now the shoe is on the other foot. The Confederate flag controversy was one of the things that really woke me up to just how bad PC really is.
I think all history should be commemorated-- I rather regret all the statues of Marx and Lenin being pulled down when communism fell.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 25, 2017 10:24:53 GMT
I hadn't heard of the PC iconoclasm until I read this thread, but of course Mark Shea is already all in favour of it. www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2017/05/good-mayor-landrieu.htmlShea is an American Catholic blogger, who describes himself as Irish sometimes, and who I used to admire greatly. Recently he has nosedived into pure SJW-ism. This is one of the many things which has pushed me to the right- a kind of cautionary tale. I left this comment on his post, responding to another commenter who said such things prove blacks and whites can't live together:
I don't agree with Joey but I understand why more people and more people are thinking like him. The left was supposed to be about colour-blindness, a new era, and transcending race. Instead, their obsession with it deepens and they cry for ever more drastic measures to bring about their desired state of affairs. Even when a black man is elected President of America, Amerika is still raaaaaaaacist. This kind of thing is what drives recruits to the Alt Right.
Oh, and by "the left" I also mean large swathes of the Republican party and of the Catholic Church and the other Christian churches-- sadly.
You know, in London there's a monument simply called The Monument which marks the Great Fire of London. Originally the inscription blamed Catholics for it. Then this part of the inscription was removed. Then a plaque was put up saying what was on the inscription. I think the inscription should have been left and removing it was vandalism. Monuments reflect the past and the past is complicated. Once we start flushing everything that offends us down the memory hole, 1984 is not far away. People should be mature enough to have some perspective on these things.I think that was pretty polite, apart from a touch of sarcasm about Amerika, but I wouldn't be surprised if I get a rude, dismissive reply from Shea. It wouldn't be the first time. |
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Post by Young Ireland on May 28, 2017 21:30:49 GMT
I do wonder if this is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. After all, many Southerners in the Civil Rights era used Confederate imagery in their opposition to desegregation. Don't forget that for many African-Americans, the battle flag represents slavery and Jim Crow and the like, so I think that they are well within their rights to object, just as the Apartheid-era South African flag now carries political connotations, as does the use of the Soviet flag in another context.
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Post by cato on May 29, 2017 11:11:47 GMT
In Castlebar Co.Mayo the monument to the 1798 rebellion , which was supported by anti catholic french secularists , has a depiction of a priest blessing a rebel and a depiction of the blessed virgin on the other side. Yes I know there was a strong catholic element to the rising ,although the hierarchy were opposed to it. The politically correct version of 1798 downplays the catholic aspects and emphasises the dissenters and the secularists.
When will we hear calls to remove this or all the other various religious emblems in public places? They have started you know and no one is really objecting ...
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Post by servantofthechief on Jun 5, 2017 10:58:16 GMT
I am completely against this, and the more I have learned of the South, even with the disgusting slavery, the more I have come to regret its loss and active destruction. This is a degradation of history and an active insult and provocation of one segment of American society but another. I would not be in favour of tearing down Unionist monuments or covering up their murals up here in the North for the same reason. This will not end well.
In any case, the American left (and conservatives in favour of this iconoclasm) could not have done anything more provocative in terms of making the Southern Youth more radical in their clinging to their heritage, their guns and their flag. This is going to backfire on them.
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Post by seangladium on Jun 6, 2017 5:22:10 GMT
It seems to me that the American Left has neo-fascist elements to it currently with the anti-free speech riots on college campuses and the removal/destruction of public monuments. Interestingly, the Nazi book burnings were also propagated by college students at the time. I am very concerned about where this is all going if this continues. I think the media are one of the main culprits as are the liberal college professors that encourage these acts of violence.
The Democrat Party would like to erase its own history, but I think these monuments should be allowed to stand. There were some good qualities to the Confederacy despite its support of slavery. The Democrat Party's current support of unfettered abortion is much more shameful than their previous support for slavery anyways.
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