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Post by Tomas on Nov 23, 2017 9:33:43 GMT
The leadership in "Church of Sweden" (previously the Lutheran State Church), the "church" that still comprises the vast majority of secular Swedes, has done something truly (falsely) astonishing. Today is reported that their major council has decided to promote a new "Gender Correct" manual for nationwide use. From what I understood it will not be compulsory, but terribly horrific none the less. From the comments from a former Swedish protestant who sat on the council or board who decided, now a convert, the few old-time Lutherans left there makes powerless dissidents among the stronger postmodern materialist voices.
What has happened then? Well, "only" this - please BRACE YOURSELVES - the leadership has decided in order to be "including", instead of mentioning Him or The Lord they will now promote the use of words that is neutral and has no association to gender. Yes! this is simply outrageous and I´m afraid it is not a satirical joke of any kind. My first question was, after the first reactions of sadness: How can they go on like that?
The next question that comes to mind is on ecumenism: What of the precious little common ground is there left in circumstances like this? How could the Holy Father even be friendly (business as usual-like) with such people? Of course Our Lord was dining with publicans and sinners, but He (not "that figure" or whatever they will say further on) obviously did demonstrate lots of other works and words also. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 23, 2017 10:14:54 GMT
Indeed. Thankfully gender ideology is one thing Pope Francis is strong against.
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Post by Tomas on Nov 23, 2017 11:13:49 GMT
Indeed. Thankfully gender ideology is one thing Pope Francis is strong against. Yes I reminded myself of that too. He did make very straight statements during the visit to the US for example (one news headline even had a comparison between nuclear threats and gender ideology!). But when there are things like this going on and they regardless of that meet like good friends, it seems a bit odd from my narrow perspective. Maybe to be Catholic can mean all-embracing even on suchlike occasions? In view of 2000 years history it seems unprecedented. Not like the zealous efforts to save souls, the preachings against sin or the humble martyrs witnessing for the Faith...
The scrupulous bishop Alphonsus Maria de Liguori in his day had even to refrain from paying compliments to a monsignore Filingeri when he was chosen Archbishop in Napoli, since the saint thought to himself that he could not earnestly say that he was glad to hear of the event of elevation. These men, one a regalist and the other one not, were both arguing deadly serious within Holy Mother Church. They certainly did not make others inclined to say "why bother", "live and let live", or "you´re ok, i´m ok, we´re ok, that´s ok, right?".
I believe extra prayers is needed for the Holy Father. As well as many prayers for conversions of heretics (aka brothers and sisters in Christ).
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Post by Séamus on Feb 16, 2021 1:49:02 GMT
The leadership in "Church of Sweden" (previously the Lutheran State Church), the "church" that still comprises the vast majority of secular Swedes, has done something truly (falsely) astonishing. Today is reported that their major council has decided to promote a new "Gender Correct" manual for nationwide use. From what I understood it will not be compulsory, but terribly horrific none the less. From the comments from a former Swedish protestant who sat on the council or board who decided, now a convert, the few old-time Lutherans left there makes powerless dissidents among the stronger postmodern materialist voices.
What has happened then? Well, "only" this - please BRACE YOURSELVES - the leadership has decided in order to be "including", instead of mentioning Him or The Lord they will now promote the use of words that is neutral and has no association to gender. Yes! this is simply outrageous and I´m afraid it is not a satirical joke of any kind. My first question was, after the first reactions of sadness: How can they go on like that?
The next question that comes to mind is on ecumenism: What of the precious little common ground is there left in circumstances like this? How could the Holy Father even be friendly (business as usual-like) with such people? Of course Our Lord was dining with publicans and sinners, but He (not "that figure" or whatever they will say further on) obviously did demonstrate lots of other works and words also. "The Australian National University's Gender Institute Handbook instructs tutors and lecturers to use terms like 'chestfeeding' instead of 'breastfeeding' and 'parent's milk' instead of the phrase 'mother's milk'. 'When discussing childbirth use the terms 'gestational' or 'birthing' parent rather than 'mother',and the terms 'non-birthing' or 'non-gestational' rather than 'father' ',the book says,'while many students will identify as mothers or father's,using these terms alone to describe parenthood excludes those who do not identify with gender-binaries' " cf the west Australian Feb 16 Not sure that we'll 'catch up' with Sweden- Somebody from rival University of Sydney had already labelled it as misguided. And I'm happy enough that my phone doesn't yet spell the non-birthing terms automatically. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 16, 2021 7:30:00 GMT
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Post by hilary on Feb 16, 2021 9:14:21 GMT
There's an organisation called Counterweight (Counterweightsupport.com) I heard about on New Culture Forum. They help people to resist the imposition of critical social justice theory in day to day life. Where people are being sent for unconscious bias training for example, and they are being asked to believe they are racist or the victims of racism when they know they are not. They are bringing people together and encouraging debate and resistance.
Also from New Culture Forum I've been reading Emma Webb's article on the Civitas website (I add these websites to my home screen now) about religious only marriages.
There are women (especially Muslim women) who have been married in religious ceremonies and are not aware that they don't have the legal protection of a civilly registered marriage. It's much easier for a man to divorce his wife than for a woman to get a divorce in the Sharia system. It's probably a subject that will need attention in Ireland in the near future.
On the gender inclusive language in church some priests make a big point of changing "man" to "all" etc - it drives me mad! The beautiful psalms which I'm sometimes reading along with in the Magnificat. (Like who doesn't know that man includes woman?!)
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Post by assisi on Feb 16, 2021 18:30:11 GMT
The leadership in "Church of Sweden" (previously the Lutheran State Church), the "church" that still comprises the vast majority of secular Swedes, has done something truly (falsely) astonishing. Today is reported that their major council has decided to promote a new "Gender Correct" manual for nationwide use. From what I understood it will not be compulsory, but terribly horrific none the less. From the comments from a former Swedish protestant who sat on the council or board who decided, now a convert, the few old-time Lutherans left there makes powerless dissidents among the stronger postmodern materialist voices.
What has happened then? Well, "only" this - please BRACE YOURSELVES - the leadership has decided in order to be "including", instead of mentioning Him or The Lord they will now promote the use of words that is neutral and has no association to gender. Yes! this is simply outrageous and I´m afraid it is not a satirical joke of any kind. My first question was, after the first reactions of sadness: How can they go on like that?
The next question that comes to mind is on ecumenism: What of the precious little common ground is there left in circumstances like this? How could the Holy Father even be friendly (business as usual-like) with such people? Of course Our Lord was dining with publicans and sinners, but He (not "that figure" or whatever they will say further on) obviously did demonstrate lots of other works and words also. I may be wrong but Our Lord dined and spoke with prostitutes and tax collectors who were open to conversion. Often I think he was invited by them. Those that would not listen to him or who criticised and mocked him however were eventually left behind, such as those in the towns of Capernaum and Bethsaida. |
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Feb 16, 2021 20:43:39 GMT
I think this is and will be pushed by the Vatican & Post Conciliar church soon.
Don't forget we are yet to have a BOOMER POPE!
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