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Post by Stephen on Jan 6, 2018 11:20:15 GMT
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Post by cato on Jan 6, 2018 20:30:15 GMT
Stephen should be banned or sent to Siberia for reading the Guardian AND quoting it.
Is there a Romanov pretender/claimant?
I think Putin is the de facto Czar and wouldn't want anyone to take any of his imperial aura away from him by tolerating even a constitutional Czar. The Romanovs were pretty terrible rulers and Czar Nicholas taking personal control of Russian armies during the Great War led directly to defeat and the disaster of Bolshevik terror.
On the subject of monarchical restorations, has any attempt lasted? Off hand I can think of Italian , French and German even Mexican restorations (or inventions ) but none have lasted.
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Post by servantofthechief on Jan 6, 2018 23:47:48 GMT
Several Eastern European countries requested crown jewels from America (Context: Some had sent them to America for safekeeping ahead of the Communist takeover for obvious reason.) in order to entertain possible restorations after the wall fell in Europe. Bill Clinton is to have said 'We don't do kings' and refused to hand them over.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 6, 2018 23:58:38 GMT
On the subject of monarchical restorations, has any attempt lasted? Off hand I can think of Italian , French and German even Mexican restorations (or inventions ) but none have lasted. Well, there was the Restoration after Cromwell's protectorate in Britain, and there was the restoration of the Spanish monarchy. I realize both of those were hardly blips, though. |
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Post by Séamus on Jan 7, 2018 9:33:39 GMT
I know a Calabrian woman who grew up after the War. She confessed once that the curriculum of the time taught them from the youngest level to dislike the Italian monarchy and monarchs. Despite this educational admission she's not ashamed to say how much she DOES INDEED despise the Italian monarchy and monarchs. The fellow-pilgrims of a Holy Land trip had much to say about her encounter with a Bedouin guide in Egypt. He had explained that Victor Emmanuel was buried in this Church. She yelled that there was NO WAY in the world that that "bastard" was buried in a church, even though she'd been taught in school that he WAS indeed buried in a St Catherine's - she'd never known where- and the guide, thinking that she was disputing the material fact, when really she was "denying" that he was buried there because she disagreed with the fact, not because she actually disbelieved it, was arguing with her. Eventually the pilgrims were all ducking for cover and priests were refusing to comment either way.
A month later, when they were talking about it, she ranted further about money buying the church. I'm not going to be the one to tell her that the Italian government has just now accepted Victor Emmanuel's body for entombment there.
And yet, there ARE many minor royal families in Italy, usually referred by their titles.
Since it's now been a century since the fall of the Romanovs, surely a return of the dynasty won't produce a proliferation of alive-and-kicking Grand duchess Anastasias from every corner of the Earth??
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Post by cato on Jan 7, 2018 10:17:55 GMT
I know a Calabrian woman who grew up after the War. She confessed once that the curriculum of the time taught them from the youngest level to dislike the Italian monarchy and monarchs. Despite this educational admission she's not ashamed to say how much she DOES INDEED despise the Italian monarchy and monarchs. The fellow-pilgrims of a Holy Land trip had much to say about her encounter with a Bedouin guide in Egypt. He had explained that Victor Emmanuel was buried in this Church. She yelled that there was NO WAY in the world that that "bastard" was buried in a church, even though she'd been taught in school that he WAS indeed buried in a St Catherine's - she'd never known where- and the guide, thinking that she was disputing the material fact, when really she was "denying" that he was buried there because she disagreed with the fact, not because she actually disbelieved it, was arguing with her. Eventually the pilgrims were all ducking for cover and priests were refusing to comment either way. A month later, when they were talking about it, she ranted further about money buying the church. I'm not going to be the one to tell her that the Italian government has just now accepted Victor Emmanuel's body for entombment there. And yet, there ARE many minor royal families in Italy, usually referred by their titles. Since it's now been a century since the fall of the Romanovs, surely a return of the dynasty won't produce a proliferation of alive-and-kicking Grand duchess Anastasias from every corner of the Earth?? The Bolsheviks made a pretty ruthless job of wiping out the Romanovs . As Czar Nicholas was related to the British and German monarchs I wonder has anyone there a claim to be Czar of the Russians? |
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Post by cato on Jan 7, 2018 10:24:55 GMT
On the subject of monarchical restorations, has any attempt lasted? Off hand I can think of Italian , French and German even Mexican restorations (or inventions ) but none have lasted. Well, there was the Restoration after Cromwell's protectorate in Britain, and there was the restoration of the Spanish monarchy. I realize both of those were hardly blips, though. Using Cromwell is naughty. Although he was the first Republican ruler of Ireland he is not included in the Pantheon of Sinn Fein for some odd reason ..... The Spanish example does appear to be the best exampke of a restoration although King Juan Carlos turned into a colossal swine the office seems secure. Is the restoration of the Papal State by Mussolini in 1929 not an example of a Royal restoration too? |
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Post by Stephen on Jan 10, 2018 8:40:59 GMT
Stephen should be banned or sent to Siberia for reading the Guardian AND quoting it. Is there a Romanov pretender/claimant? I think Putin is the de facto Czar and wouldn't want anyone to take any of his imperial aura away from him by tolerating even a constitutional Czar. The Romanovs were pretty terrible rulers and Czar Nicholas taking personal control of Russian armies during the Great War led directly to defeat and the disaster of Bolshevik terror. On the subject of monarchical restorations, has any attempt lasted? Off hand I can think of Italian , French and German even Mexican restorations (or inventions ) but none have lasted. A question that has not been raised would Putin want to become Tzar. I would have to say no. Much more likely the Royal house returns and is given some nice palaces, yet has no political power. They have said they would not want to be used or get involved in Russian politics. |
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Post by servantofthechief on Jan 10, 2018 11:57:47 GMT
Stephen should be banned or sent to Siberia for reading the Guardian AND quoting it. Is there a Romanov pretender/claimant? I think Putin is the de facto Czar and wouldn't want anyone to take any of his imperial aura away from him by tolerating even a constitutional Czar. The Romanovs were pretty terrible rulers and Czar Nicholas taking personal control of Russian armies during the Great War led directly to defeat and the disaster of Bolshevik terror. On the subject of monarchical restorations, has any attempt lasted? Off hand I can think of Italian , French and German even Mexican restorations (or inventions ) but none have lasted. A question that has not been raised would Putin want to become Tzar. I would have to say no. Much more likely the Royal house returns and is given some nice palaces, yet has no political power. They have said they would not want to be used or get involved in Russian politics. Russia becoming some kind of constitutional monarchy certainly is not beyond the realm of possibility so long as Putin is open to it. In fact it might even legitimise him staying in power as 'Prime Minister' if he can get the right constitutional changes in. |
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Post by Stephen on Jan 10, 2018 12:48:30 GMT
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Post by Stephen on Jan 20, 2018 21:04:53 GMT
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Post by cato on Jul 17, 2018 17:30:32 GMT
Today 100 years ago Czar Nicholas , his wife and children were executed by the Bolsheviks. They were canonised by the Russian Orthodox Church as martyrs several years ago. May all the victims of marxist tyranny rest in peace.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 18, 2018 12:59:22 GMT
Church of All Saints, Yekaterinburg is a beautiful Church.
Copied from Wikipedia
On September 20 1990, the Sverdlovsk Soviet handed the plot to the Russian Orthodox Church for construction of a memorial chapel. After the former Tsar and his family's canonisation as Passion Bearers, the Church planned to build an impressive memorial complex dedicated to the Romanov family. A state commission was gathered and architectural as well as funding plans were developed. Construction began in 2000.
The completed complex comprises two churches, a belfry, a patriarchal annex, and a museum dedicated to the former imperial family; the altar of the main church is directly over the site of the Romanovs' execution. The complex covers a total of 29,700 square feet (2,760 m2).
On June 16 2003, 85 years after the execution of the former imperial family, the main church was consecrated by Metropolitan bishop Yuvenaly, delegated by Patriarch Alexy II who was too ill at the time to travel to Yekaterinburg, assisted by Russian Orthodox clergy from all over the Russian Federation. In 2003, President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder met in Yekaterinburg and visited the church.
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