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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 24, 2018 23:15:00 GMT
Britain First made the news when Trump retweeted something of theirs, conservative Christians and trads complaining about church being a middle class affair, a working class movement that are opposed to the rise of Islam, a policy of anti-abortion, their talk of Christian values, of anti-Marxism/Liberalism/National Socialism/Fascism/Political Correctness/Euro Federalism, their desire to dismantle the authoritarian BBC, to instate strong laws against treasonous political action, over a million followers on social media.....
Is there an opportunity here or isn't there?
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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 25, 2018 0:41:18 GMT
I've just wikipedia-ed this party now after initially reading their website and they appear to be full of rogues and trouble makers. So apologies if anyone found the thread I started inappropriate.
However, I do sympathise with working class communities trying to grapple with what is happening/happened to their country and trying to find leadership on the matter, and I'm aware that that process might not be a conventional one.
Casting my mind round to the demise of the British working class, their ominous future and balancing that against the trouble-making of Britain First, I'm still feeling sympathetic to their attempt.
The problem is a media-backlash against Christianity or conservative causes in the event of an atrocity committed which seems inevitable with their type of campaigning. There was the related murder of the female MP over here.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 25, 2018 6:45:23 GMT
No worries, irishconfederate, we want the uninhibited discussion of ideas here.
I haven't paid a great deal of attention to them, but I investigated them when I first heard about them, and the information I could find was very troubling. AFter your first post, I read a little about them again but couldn't find immediately what it was that had bothered me previously. It was only a cursory search, though, I'll go back to it. Even if they are a dead-end they are still worth a thread.
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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 25, 2018 7:32:52 GMT
I find the whole thing sad. I mean this sort of campaigning is going to egg on the crackpots out there and attract a certain thuggery.
But at the same time working class people have been abandoned to a world that has and is changing, i.e multi-culturalism/rise of Islam.
In their working class modes of behaviour they are now working out who they are, what they stand for which as I think will be an unconventional process with working class acts of self-assertion.
The rise of movements like these seems inevitable and the middle and upper classes have lost all credibility in the sight of these people. So the working class are taking things into their own hands.
They have the moral high ground on the issue of a changing Britain. Where advice from the Church for example, who've abandoned the working classes, seems like straw.
This is a run away train it seems and amidst the vacuum of inaction with regard to multi-culturalism and Islam, I sympathise with them even if cautiously. Because who else is doing something to help their plight? And their plight is great.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 25, 2018 10:29:12 GMT
It's hard to know how to address the rise of Islam. I've vacillated on this. A few months ago I lurched to the right, and thought we had to become hard on Islam-- not only radical Islam, but Islam itself.
I'm less inclined to think this now. There are a billion Muslims in the world, and large numbers in our own societies-- we have to live with them in some sort of harmony. Also, although I get frustrated at the suggestion that there is no relation between jihadism and "mainstream" Islam (which seems nonsensical to me), I don't doubt that most Muslims are decent and law-abiding people.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 2, 2018 14:05:44 GMT
It's hard to know how to address the rise of Islam. I've vacillated on this. A few months ago I lurched to the right, and thought we had to become hard on Islam-- not only radical Islam, but Islam itself. I'm less inclined to think this now. There are a billion Muslims in the world, and large numbers in our own societies-- we have to live with them in some sort of harmony. Also, although I get frustrated at the suggestion that there is no relation between jihadism and "mainstream" Islam (which seems nonsensical to me), I don't doubt that most Muslims are decent and law-abiding people. They may be law abiding (Sharia law) and decent for an Islam culture but not for a Christian Society. I can't blame them in many ways as I regect alot that is in the west today. I would fall on the side of absolute stop to immigration. |
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Post by cato on Feb 2, 2018 17:04:41 GMT
It's hard to know how to address the rise of Islam. I've vacillated on this. A few months ago I lurched to the right, and thought we had to become hard on Islam-- not only radical Islam, but Islam itself. I'm less inclined to think this now. There are a billion Muslims in the world, and large numbers in our own societies-- we have to live with them in some sort of harmony. Also, although I get frustrated at the suggestion that there is no relation between jihadism and "mainstream" Islam (which seems nonsensical to me), I don't doubt that most Muslims are decent and law-abiding people. The more and more I think of it the more I believe Moslems are only taking advantage of the mass collapse of christian practice and the death wish of liberal middle class europeans. No one forced us to decimate our populations or to undermine our own culture. Ok I know the universities have been turned into leftist propaganda centres pumping out a self hating anti traditional anti-vision for two generations now but if we were self confident patriotic church going reproducing Europeans we wouldn't be undergoing such a threat from Islam. They appear strong because we are so weak. We have chosen the path of weakness. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 2, 2018 19:09:51 GMT
It's hard to know how to address the rise of Islam. I've vacillated on this. A few months ago I lurched to the right, and thought we had to become hard on Islam-- not only radical Islam, but Islam itself. I'm less inclined to think this now. There are a billion Muslims in the world, and large numbers in our own societies-- we have to live with them in some sort of harmony. Also, although I get frustrated at the suggestion that there is no relation between jihadism and "mainstream" Islam (which seems nonsensical to me), I don't doubt that most Muslims are decent and law-abiding people. The more and more I think of it the more I believe Moslems are only taking advantage of the mass collapse of christian practice and the death wish of liberal middle class europeans. No one forced us to decimate our populations or to undermine our own culture. Ok I know the universities have been turned into leftist propaganda centres pumping out a self hating anti traditional anti-vision for two generations now but if we were self confident patriotic church going reproducing Europeans we wouldn't be undergoing such a threat from Islam. They appear strong because we are so weak. We have chosen the path of weakness. Maybe so. But we're does that lead us know. |
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Post by cato on Feb 2, 2018 23:28:50 GMT
The more and more I think of it the more I believe Moslems are only taking advantage of the mass collapse of christian practice and the death wish of liberal middle class europeans. No one forced us to decimate our populations or to undermine our own culture. Ok I know the universities have been turned into leftist propaganda centres pumping out a self hating anti traditional anti-vision for two generations now but if we were self confident patriotic church going reproducing Europeans we wouldn't be undergoing such a threat from Islam. They appear strong because we are so weak. We have chosen the path of weakness. Maybe so. But we're does that lead us know. There is an alternative to defeatism and decline but we lack the inclination and will as a people to chart a different course at the moment. Perhaps the Poles Hungarians Czechs and now the Austrians are starting a movement in Europe that will offer that alternative vision. One of the weaknesses of defending Europe and the West against Islamisation(a cause I believe in) is that post Christian Europe has few common beliefs worth defending. It has self hollowed itself out by abandoning its Christian heritige and replaced it with shopping experiences and aromatherapy. |
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Post by Séamus on Feb 6, 2018 11:32:11 GMT
There's a bit of controversy in the Australian senate at the moment concerning videos produced by Britain First, apparently these have been shared online by senator Jim Molan and are of an anti-muslim nature. Molan was reputedly labeled a 'white supremacist' today by a Greens senator a short while ago.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 6, 2018 11:44:03 GMT
Not sure how opposition to Islam makes you a white supremacist...!
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Post by Stephen on Feb 6, 2018 12:31:41 GMT
Not sure how opposition to Islam makes you a white supremacist...! I know, it's so annoying and lazy. |
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