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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 27, 2018 22:25:54 GMT
Recently after my posts on the Britain First Political Party thread I have been thinking a lot about my positions.
I think that the Britain First party are making a terrible mistake and are inciting hatred and therefore I do not think there is opportunity there for conservatism.
One trouble looming in my body and soul is perhaps there is not so great a threat from Islam as compared to left wingery.
Perhaps I haven't been paying attention to the impending threat of left wingery and its potential to make the lives of people and perhaps especially Christians seriously worse?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 27, 2018 22:48:22 GMT
Well, left-wingery (so to speak) is decadent whereas Islam is not.
So in a way, I think Islam is a greater threat, because leftism contains the seeds of its own destruction anyway. Islam wants to prevail, whereas leftism only seems to want to destroy everything, including itself.
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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 27, 2018 23:13:42 GMT
Well, left-wingery (so to speak) is decadent whereas Islam is not. So in a way, I think Islam is a greater threat, because leftism contains the seeds of its own destruction anyway. Islam wants to prevail, whereas leftism only seems to want to destroy everything, including itself. I agree with you. I think we are going to be dealing with Islam in Europe for a very long time. Islam contains a budding civilisation different to and competing with our historical one so they are the biggest threat long term. But short term don't left-wing ideas pose a bigger threat? Perhaps it's not just left wing ideas, perhaps it's consumerism too? But do you ever get the feeling that with things like the anti-Christian sentiment that pervades society, the sex education that is nowadays being taught to small children, the breaking down of the liberals narative, the popularity of a Jeremy Corbyn Labour Party in the UK, that things could go very quickly down the rabbit hole so to speak? |
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Post by kj on Jan 28, 2018 8:07:46 GMT
I think the one possibility no one ever seems to mention, maybe because it's more terrifying and doesn't suit people's dramatic needs, is that things will just putter along as normal: the monkeyfests of argumentation will be confined to FB and social media, yes there will be periodic violence in the shape of terrorist attacks, but by and large people will go on about their business.
The first real sign of danger in terms of the collapse of western civilisation will be tens of thousands of people rioting and committing violence, but there is thankfully no sign of that yet.
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Post by cato on Jan 28, 2018 17:55:05 GMT
There is at least a third measure or factor to be considered. The modern consumerist mentality has been eating at the soul of Europe and is probably the main reason for population decline and so long term instability.Population decline is one of the biggest signs of long term collapse historically yet our governments PROMOTE it. The impact on pensions and future card of the elderly was constantly put on the long finger by our baby boomer rulers who prioritised the sexual revolution over national population stable growth.
Culturally Europe is self questioning and critical which is linked to cultural marxism and other toxic products from French universities. Islam offers certainty especially now that Catholicism is having a delayed hippy mid life crisis. I think left wingery Islam and adoration of the golden calf are all aspects of our crisis. It's not either or.We are in a terrible situation where we have cancer , heart disease and dementia all at once.
In addition we have an overly trusting attitude to new technology and science which is alienating us from each other and from our human nature. It's quite a noxious brew really. Any one for the Benedict Option ?
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Post by irishconfederate on Jan 28, 2018 23:29:12 GMT
I think the one possibility no one ever seems to mention, maybe because it's more terrifying and doesn't suit people's dramatic needs, is that things will just putter along as normal: the monkeyfests of argumentation will be confined to FB and social media, yes there will be periodic violence in the shape of terrorist attacks, but by and large people will go on about their business. The first real sign of danger in terms of the collapse of western civilisation will be tens of thousands of people rioting and committing violence, but there is thankfully no sign of that yet. But the thing is it's not normal. Things will putter along as abnormal. I don't think the real sign of danger is tens of thousands rioting, it's the continuation of the growth of authoritarian characteristics which is the immediate threat. Communist authoritarianism was the grey every day for people in those societies, it's the calmness of it all which is weird. Plus all systems with authoritarian characteristics walk a fine line to those with totalitarian ones. Take this for an example: a ten year old girl came home to her Catholic family, who go to my Mass, and said the girls in her class are shaving their legs. The father has realised that only two years down the line there will be greater abnormalities going on in the class and has decided he is going to move back to his own country, not in Western Europe. Now this society is corrupting people rapidly, dehumanising them, the older virtuous generations who bother to write to their MPs about things (as an example) are dieing off. With such a populace authoritarian characteristics will likely to grow as there is less moral checks from the people. The grey every day system will exploit the divisions in society in order to keep going. This is why I think it is probably a wrong move for us to look at Islam immediately. The seeming normality of call it consumerist-liberalism is the rabbit hole that we could find ourselves trapped in with no easy sight of a way out. Noticing the signs around me including the example of the child above and my own recent giving up on news providers, I think we have reached another tipping point. |
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on Jan 29, 2018 11:20:03 GMT
Leftism will always deliver you Islam.
Islam will never deliver you leftism.
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Post by Tomas on Jan 31, 2018 11:31:28 GMT
I´m inclined to this same view. Left wingery is definitely a worse damage to society in the short or middle time table. They are strange bedfellows of course so maybe it isn´t even sure they will ever try making any lasting coalitions either. In Western Europe the major coalition would be leftist cultural marxism along with indifferent middle class is my guess.
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