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Post by Person01 on Feb 4, 2018 23:34:26 GMT
Would you actively campaign for a united ireland also do youse think sein fein will get credit for it or actually be the primary force behind it.Also im not asking would you vote for a united Ireland but if you would do door knocking for example and would you ally yourself with sein fein
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 5, 2018 8:43:58 GMT
It's hard to imagine the situation where this would actually become a question for an all-Ireland referendum.
If it did, I would hope that Fianna Fáil and perhaps other parties would campaign for it, so Sinn Féin would not get the credit.
I wouldn't actually go door-to-door...I don't feel strongly enough about it. As I've said on other threads, a globalised and cosmopolitan united Ireland is pretty meaingless to me.
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Post by cato on Feb 5, 2018 12:34:21 GMT
Sinn Fein and the IRA put the prespect of a united Ireland back by at least a generation. Unless a majority of unionists want it , it will become unmanageable ie a vote of 50% + 1 would never work. It would require a massive majority to be a success.
I don't think it's a good time to advocate this at present.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 7, 2018 9:05:48 GMT
I've been reading about Eamon De Valera recently. His attitude towards a United Ireland was always rather contradictory. Rhetorically, he emphasised it a great deal, and even went on "Anti-Partition" speaking tours around the world. But he also openly admitted that he had no idea how it could be achieved in the foreseeable future. He ruled out the use of force and conceded that the Unionists would have to enter voluntarily.
This attitude seemed the prevalent one across most nationalists in the Free State and the Republic, actually.
The prospect of a united Ireland is not really one that excites me. If I had to choose between the Irish language being properly revived (and I'm not even talking about it becoming the first language of daily life) and a united Ireland, I would certainly choose the first.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 9, 2018 13:14:55 GMT
I've noticed that many people seem to support a United Ireland through a general support for amalgmation and combination, and a general aversion towards borders. So they would also have been against the Scottish independence referendum and against Brexit. Presumably they see a united Ireland as one step on the road to a united Europe, and eventually a united world.
The thought that I might be on the same side as these people makes me want to join the DUP.
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Post by beachcomber on Mar 9, 2018 19:57:55 GMT
Achieving a United Ireland with a 51% vote would be a disaster and lead to a civil war in which the losers would be the people and the Southern state as we know it.
Any referendum would need a 75% majority to be truly representative
About 5/6 million of up to 4th generation Irish now living in the UK would prefer a new Union of some kind with the UK or even the Republic rejoining the Commonwealth
Doing this would be like pulling the carpet from under the feet of the Unionists who would find it difficult to argue against being governed from Dublin
Ireland must never forget about its expats and not ignore their pleas for the right to vote in the Republic. Something that is allowed to all British and all expats from other European Nations.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 9, 2018 20:26:46 GMT
I'm not sure about the right to vote for expats. I didn't realize they allowed this in other countries, but it seems unwise to me. People who don't live in the country can hardly have the first-hand knowledge of its circumstances that a resident does, nor will they have to live with the consequences of their vote. Personally, I'm open to the idea of rejoining the Commonwealth. I would rather have the British monarch than no monarch, and I feel quite an affinity with other Anglosphere nations. However, many Irish people feel the opposite. I agree with you about the dangers of a narrow victory in a united Ireland referendum. That seems like a completely nightmare. Peter Hitchens had quite a good blog post about it today. although I can't agree with his negative view of the Good Friday Agreement. I voted against the Good Friday Agreement, thinking it was a mistake to concede our territorial claim to Northern Ireland. It's the biggest regret of my voting life. The carnage had to end and principles had to bend. hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/03/hard-soft-or-temporary-some-thoughts-on-the-nature-history-and-future-of-the-irish-border.html |
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Post by cato on Mar 9, 2018 22:39:51 GMT
I also voted No but Je ne regrette rien !
I don't accept the old articles 2 and 3 motivated the IRA but they did offend some unionists just as the existence of the union offends some nationalists. Ideally I think both territorial claims should have stood but I don't cry over the change.
If I recall my thinking at the time I was concerned about how much of a fudge the agreement was and how violent activity was going to be forgiven but victims were to be more or less told sorry but your grief and loss is of no concern anymore. I didn't forsee the destruction of the SDLP and moderate unionism and the increased political and sectarian polarisation which was a heavy price to pay for peace.
Naturally I welcome the end of bombings and killings but I can't buy the Sinn Fein lie the struggle was about achieving civil rights. No IRA volunteer died or killed to allow Martin mc Guinness and co. rule from Stormont .It is sad many young people nowadays accept this cynical and mischevious fantasy.
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Post by assisi on Mar 10, 2018 10:51:16 GMT
I'm not sure about the right to vote for expats. I didn't realize they allowed this in other countries, but it seems unwise to me. People who don't live in the country can hardly have the first-hand knowledge of its circumstances that a resident does, nor will they have to live with the consequences of their vote. Personally, I'm open to the idea of rejoining the Commonwealth. I would rather have the British monarch than no monarch, and I feel quite an affinity with other Anglosphere nations. However, many Irish people feel the opposite. I agree with you about the dangers of a narrow victory in a united Ireland referendum. That seems like a completely nightmare. Peter Hitchens had quite a good blog post about it today. although I can't agree with his negative view of the Good Friday Agreement. I voted against the Good Friday Agreement, thinking it was a mistake to concede our territorial claim to Northern Ireland. It's the biggest regret of my voting life. The carnage had to end and principles had to bend. hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/03/hard-soft-or-temporary-some-thoughts-on-the-nature-history-and-future-of-the-irish-border.htmlBe careful about the British monarch. The current incumbent is popular because she has learnt and displayed the necessities of a modern monarch - say little, be dignified, traditional and don't get involved in politics. The next in line is Prince Charles who has a variety of new age opinions and he isn't shy in proclaiming them. The British monarchy could, overnight, become a lot more unattractive and volatile with Charles at the head. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 10, 2018 10:53:41 GMT
I'm not sure about the right to vote for expats. I didn't realize they allowed this in other countries, but it seems unwise to me. People who don't live in the country can hardly have the first-hand knowledge of its circumstances that a resident does, nor will they have to live with the consequences of their vote. Personally, I'm open to the idea of rejoining the Commonwealth. I would rather have the British monarch than no monarch, and I feel quite an affinity with other Anglosphere nations. However, many Irish people feel the opposite. I agree with you about the dangers of a narrow victory in a united Ireland referendum. That seems like a completely nightmare. Peter Hitchens had quite a good blog post about it today. although I can't agree with his negative view of the Good Friday Agreement. I voted against the Good Friday Agreement, thinking it was a mistake to concede our territorial claim to Northern Ireland. It's the biggest regret of my voting life. The carnage had to end and principles had to bend. hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/03/hard-soft-or-temporary-some-thoughts-on-the-nature-history-and-future-of-the-irish-border.htmlBe careful about the British monarch. The current incumbent is popular because she has learnt and displayed the necessities of a modern monarch - say little, be dignified, traditional and don't get involved in politics. The next in line is Prince Charles who has a variety of new age opinions and he isn't shy in proclaiming them. The British monarchy could, overnight, become a lot more unattractive and volatile with Charles at the head. I agree. But the great thing about a monarch is that it doesn't really matter how great a wally the monarch is. |
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Post by cato on Mar 10, 2018 11:08:58 GMT
I fear King Charles iii may bring the whole show crashing down . I think he wants an ecumenical/interfaith coronation which sounds distinctly dodgy. He might as well run for election instead and get rid of elitist notions like monarchy , titles and vast inherited wealth if he is not prepared to continue the patriotic vision/fantasy the monarchy is ultimately based on.
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Post by cato on Apr 11, 2018 19:42:53 GMT
I see a disgruntled subject of the crown resident in Northern Ireland has brought a court case in Dublin as he is anxious that Northerners should have their say in the upcoming Repeal Referendum. I wonder what Sinn Fein think about the prospect of allowing the DUP and more socially conservative northern catholics to have a say in the onward march of wimminkind?
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