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Post by Tomas on Mar 14, 2018 15:08:18 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 14, 2018 15:14:27 GMT
I'm afraid not. The tide is in the opposite direction. John Bruton is a retired politician, a throwback (even though I think most of his contemporaries would have alreay been pro-abortion, even if they were less willing to proclaim it). I'm glad he's come out in favour of the right to life, though.
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Post by Tomas on Mar 14, 2018 16:48:09 GMT
Reminds me of a joke.
The pessimist says: "it cannot get worse than this"
The optimist says: "oh yes! it can!"
(Told by a good Franciscan priest on a pilgrimage a few years back...)
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Post by Séamus on Mar 15, 2018 1:56:12 GMT
It's not the first time John Bruton has spoken out like that?During the tenure of the last taoiseach,I recall, he was defending religious instruction in schools. Is this ironic? He was taoiseach largely through the Labor party backlash against a child-molesting priest. At the time he would have been, to many, the symbol of a new and humanist era. |
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Post by Tomas on Mar 15, 2018 8:01:17 GMT
It's not the first time John Bruton has spoken out like that?During the tenure of the last taoiseach,I recall, he was defending religious instruction in schools. Is this ironic? He was taoiseach largely through the Labor party backlash against a child-molesting priest. At the time he would have been, to many, the symbol of a new and humanist era. I´m not familiar with any names in Irish politics (the only one I haven´t entirely missed is - ironically indeed - Gerry Adams... due to the amount of headlines etc in the past) so the question was only from a neutral ignorant standpoint (my guess was/is that more or less all the politicians from the 90s onwards were liberal rather than conservative - as indicated often on this forum too - so therefore the assumption he was presumably not as reliable as a plain conservative...!) |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 15, 2018 10:06:37 GMT
Up until very recently, most of the politicians in the two main parties have paid at least lip service to defending the life of the unborn.
Even Sinn Féin were equivocal about it, out of tribal Catholicism.
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Post by Tomas on Mar 15, 2018 10:40:54 GMT
Maybe the seachange that took place could be better explained in its sheer quantity by mere human sentiments rather than ideologies. At the most basic level the amount of guilt must be enormous when you think for only a second of the numbers in fact like hundreds of thousands children. Like an elephant in the room, the sense of guilt are still in some sense lying hidden. Not forgotten but well behind the upbeat media politics from both parties?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 15, 2018 10:45:20 GMT
I completely agree.
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Post by cato on Mar 16, 2018 12:52:13 GMT
John Bruton is a practicing believing catholic. He writes on occasion for the Irish Catholic newspaper where he has expressed strong pro life opinions. He is from the European christian democratic tradition which did a lot to resist marxism in western Europe. In Fine Gael he is close to the old Redmondite wing , and was seen as hostile to Sinn Fein and sympathetic to Ulster unionism.
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Post by Tomas on Mar 17, 2018 12:52:35 GMT
John Bruton is a practicing believing catholic. He writes on occasion for the Irish Catholic newspaper where he has expressed strong pro life opinions. He is from the European christian democratic tradition which did a lot to resist marxism in western Europe. In Fine Gael he is close to the old Redmondite wing , and was seen as hostile to Sinn Fein and sympathetic to Ulster unionism. Thanks for explanation. Fairly conservative then? |
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Post by cato on Mar 17, 2018 15:29:49 GMT
He's a Europhile but other than that he is probably one the most prominent conservative voices in Ireland currently.
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Post by Séamus on Mar 18, 2018 7:36:16 GMT
He's a Europhile but other than that he is probably one the most prominent conservative voices in Ireland currently. Apparently Cork South-West TD and minister Jim Daly delivered a few words at the main Irish community Patrick's day Mass at the Perth Catholic Cathedral. Wonder where he stands on issues? |
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Post by cato on Mar 18, 2018 19:05:36 GMT
He's a Europhile but other than that he is probably one the most prominent conservative voices in Ireland currently. Apparently Cork South-West TD and minister Jim Daly delivered a few words at the main Irish community Patrick's day Mass at the Perth Catholic Cathedral. Wonder where he stands on Daly is fully in favour of repeal and all the proposed liberal abortion provisions of the government. He calls himself a practicing catholic. I presume he realises he is about to excommunicate himself on what he calls a matter of conscience. Laity preaching at mass is usually a bad sign ..... |
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Post by Séamus on Mar 19, 2018 12:35:43 GMT
Apparently Cork South-West TD and minister Jim Daly delivered a few words at the main Irish community Patrick's day Mass at the Perth Catholic Cathedral. Wonder where he stands on Daly is fully in favour of repeal and all the proposed liberal abortion provisions of the government. He calls himself a practicing catholic. I presume he realises he is about to excommunicate himself on what he calls a matter of conscience. Laity preaching at mass is usually a bad sign ..... He doesn't seem to have said much, mostly conveyed greetings from the President. Both he and the honorary consul of WA were mentioned in the Mass programme as bringing another male as their guest, a special adviser, in the case of Mr Daly. I read this with a completely innocent mind. |
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Post by cato on Mar 19, 2018 13:54:29 GMT
I do think the Church needs to create a bit of distance between herself and politicians who do not share the faith or who are actively hostile to the Gospel. Minister Zappone for example was guest of honour at the Pontifical Irish College in Rome.
If a politician wants to send greetings to the diaspora he/she can use the methods everyone else does. Giving them a platform at the most sacred rite of our faith devalues and secularises the mass even further.
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