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Post by person01 on Mar 23, 2018 12:08:49 GMT
legality of contraception should it be banned restricted should only abortifacients be banned is our current law fine as they are. does contraception lead to legalised abortion (murder) here's a video of Micheal Voris talking about the connection between abortion and contraception in the united states
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU7xRwRtZjY
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 23, 2018 12:12:53 GMT
I think the answer is "yes", and in a responsible society contraception would be restricted, if not banned outright. (I understand contraceptives can sometimes have non-contraceptive purposes, so I say "restricted" rather than banned.)
However, we are so far from that possibility now, there is not even the remotest possibility of it happening.
Abortifacients should certainly be banned.
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Post by cato on Mar 24, 2018 12:58:20 GMT
It is interesting that once contraception is widely available and socially normalised family planning groups then admit they need abortion because contraception is not always 100% sucessful. The argument that if we have widespread contraceptive use we will need less abortion is quietly put to one side.
The pill has been a huge factor in the sexual revolution as Pope Paul VI realised in 1968 during the summer of love. That revolution has had gigantic affects on society, declining populations in the west and on individual lives.
I sometimes wonder about the long term use of hormonal chemicals on wider human health - widespread infertility , cancer risks and even simpler things like the rise in depression rates . Green advocates rarely highlight the ecological costs around usage of the pill.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 24, 2018 16:43:30 GMT
Cato, my father also thinks the pill has something to do with increasing levels of homosexuality-- the effect on embryos in utero. I don't know what to make of that, but it does seem extraordinary that there are so many homosexuals since the sexual revolution. I find it hard to believe they were all closeted previously.
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Post by cato on Mar 24, 2018 16:54:17 GMT
That is a possibility. That and the huge leap in numbers identifying as transexual.
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Post by optatuscleary on Mar 24, 2018 18:17:37 GMT
I suspect there’s a range of “effectiveness” that leads from contraception to abortion. If contraception were 100% effective, you could argue that there is no “need” for abortion. If it were only, say, 70% effective, people would have to be careful, and the libertine culture would be less attractive. It’s when the effectiveness gets into the nineties that people expect non-reproductive sex, but still have failures of contraception.
Contraception is immoral not because it leads to abortion but because of the ends of sexual intercourse, etc. I think it does lead to abortion in our society, especially when contraception is depicted as “freedom for women.” However, I’m certain that a wide variety of less-effective methods have been attempted by couples throughout history. It’s only when it becomes highly effective that it renders fertility unusual, and sterility normal. This could also be behind the increase in homosexuality and transgenderism: the inherent differences between men and women are not on full display in our modern culture.
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Post by cato on Mar 24, 2018 18:36:32 GMT
Cato, my father also thinks the pill has something to do with increasing levels of homosexuality-- the effect on embryos in utero. I don't know what to make of that, but it does seem extraordinary that there are so many homosexuals since the sexual revolution. I find it hard to believe they were all closeted previously. There is increased gay visibility nowadays but most polls put the number of gay men at around 3% of the population lesbians make up around 1.5% approximately. When I was a child the only official gay man in Ireland was David Norris and before that Oscar Wilde. Back then no one claimed Oscar was Irish either. So an awful lot of people were in the green closet up until recently. Green was Wilde's favourite colour and the pink emblem of the 1890s apparently. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 24, 2018 18:38:47 GMT
Brendan Behan, in Borstal Boy, claimed that he didn't know Oscar Wilde's crime until he went to borstal. His mother had refused to tell him.
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Post by Séamus on Mar 25, 2018 6:56:43 GMT
Brendan Behan, in Borstal Boy, claimed that he didn't know Oscar Wilde's crime until he went to borstal. His mother had refused to tell him. I actually just read an article 'The Irishman Who Wasn't' Micheál Liammóir, originally an Englishman named Alfred Willmore, who, the article suggested, moved to Ireland to avoid involvement in WWI. I find it fascinating that he learnt Irish well enough to write several books and plays in the language. As he had a brother-in-law he must have made some show of heterosexuality at some stage. In hindsight it's claimed that his relationship with fellow Englishman Hilton Edwards was well known in Irish society. |
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Post by Séamus on Mar 25, 2018 10:08:32 GMT
Brendan Behan, in Borstal Boy, claimed that he didn't know Oscar Wilde's crime until he went to borstal. His mother had refused to tell him. I actually just read an article 'The Irishman Who Wasn't' Micheál Liammóir, originally an Englishman named Alfred Willmore, who, the article suggested, moved to Ireland to avoid involvement in WWI. I find it fascinating that he learnt Irish well enough to write several books and plays in the language. As he had a brother-in-law he must have made some show of heterosexuality at some stage. In hindsight it's claimed that his relationship with fellow Englishman Hilton Edwards was well known in Irish society. Actually this brother-in-law was through his sister's marriage, so there was no 'cover' there. |
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Post by Stephen on Jul 3, 2018 14:53:54 GMT
Ban contraception full stop. It is the root that allows and allowed abortion.
It's similar with divorce and same sex so called marriage.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 3, 2018 14:57:33 GMT
Ban contraception full stop. It is the root that allows and allowed abortion. It's similar with divorce and same sex so called marriage. I'd be in favour of this, but can you even imagine it? There would be riots. |
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Post by Stephen on Jul 3, 2018 15:07:32 GMT
Ban contraception full stop. It is the root that allows and allowed abortion. It's similar with divorce and same sex so called marriage. I'd be in favour of this, but can you even imagine it? There would be riots. It's not going to happen before the culture changes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 22:06:31 GMT
Ban contraception full stop. It is the root that allows and allowed abortion. It's similar with divorce and same sex so called marriage. I'd be in favour of this, but can you even imagine it? There would be riots. Yes, when some plague or another wipes out 1/3 of humanity and the state insists the birth rate go up. |
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Post by assisi on Jul 4, 2018 9:36:17 GMT
I'd be in favour of this, but can you even imagine it? There would be riots. Yes, when some plague or another wipes out 1/3 of humanity and the state insists the birth rate go up. Yes, and we have been pretty close to a worldwide potentially killer virus in very recent history with avian flu and swine flu. We are perhaps a bit too relaxed now because those viruses were managed without too many casualties. However one such virus in the future may prove resistant to vaccines and there will be a decimated population. |
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